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Is X7 ultimate is realy ultimate?

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I wonder guys , what going on here?
I'm doing my first steps inVSX7 ultimate but I'm not new to VS at all.
Take a look a this simple project.
Soon as I select a glow transition form Vitascene and return to VS
I see a preview of that trans and "BANG" VSX7 ULTIMATE crashes badly. only by deleting it's process I will regain WIN7.
I thought it is the hardware settings so I deselect everything in the performance tab.
Even just a stupid Vitascene alpha "cloud" trans, freezes VS.
I don't think any of my system resource is the problem at this stage with a 16 seconds project.

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Hi

Welcome to the forums

I have tried a lot of Vitascene options and cannot make Video Studio crash

If you use the programs samples from the library does the program still crash.?
If no crashes using the samples…
Can you give some details of your video files, right click a clip in the timeline and select properties, attach an image to your post.

Can you make sure your project properties match your video file,
From F6, tick Show messages when…….
Start a new project and add your video files, select yes from the pop up window.

Try Vitascene again??

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lata wrote:Hi

Welcome to the forums

I have tried a lot of Vitascene options and cannot make Video Studio crash

If you use the programs samples from the library does the program still crash.?
** What samples? I want to know Vitascene so I tried them, the standard VS trans/NewBlue and masks work well
If no crashes using the samples…

Can you give some details of your video files, right click a clip in the timeline and select properties, attach an image to your post.
** Well, even if I put 2 trims from the same long shot it crashes

Can you make sure your project properties match your video file,
From F6, tick Show messages when…….
Start a new project and add your video files, select yes from the pop up window.
** As far as I know it is, but if it's so delicate setting how on earth will I ever be able to guarantee that all the clips in a project will be precisely the same? Can't I mix HD and DV stuff? I did so in X4 (or X6.. I don't recall) months ago with out a glitch (ON XP system...).

Try Vitascene again??
** No good
You can check you are using the latest Graphics drivers, visit your manufactures web site or view Windows optional updates.
** I guess they are, can it be some inner setting need to be tweaked in the Nvidia driver?
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Hi

By Samples I meant the Video Samples from the library.
If using different video files works ok then we could suspect your video files.

Setting Project Properties to match your video files can be done automatically, I mentioned this in my last reply.
By ticking Show Messages from Preferences (F6) will prompt you to match the properties after inserting the first video to the timeline, start a new project, add a video file. Your Project Properties show as using 1920 x 1080 so they may well be correct.

Mixing HD with DV, there is some difference in the field orders of these two types, DV uses Lower Field, HD Upper Field, There will be some reduction in quality when you change the field order, if you have to do that then choose the longest videos field order. At least that will reduce the impact.
If you have mixed DV and HD and not noticed any problems then that’s ok, but there may be some jagged edges showing when changing the field order. I guess something to be aware of.

Graphics Drivers, I purchased a new laptop only to find the graphics driver needed updating, obviously I did not go there straight away, so was a while before I fixed my problems. Unbelievable that they can sell apparently new machines that are out of date.
I don’t know about any Inner Settings, are you saying you have already tweaked things?

Anyway I have tried lots of options using Vitascene and cannot cause my program to crash.
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Thanks Trevor, I know you are an ace on VS.
I only do few simple projects a year and maybe one or two more complex ones.
I Knew Vitascene years ago when I did complex editing on XP moviemaker where I was digging dip into XML editing.
(Regarding the mix resolution project I did, all the DV stuff was placed in the overlay tracks and custom sized)

** And yes even with VS samples it crashes
this shot is just before Vita trans selection.

Boris seams to work fine, for the few minutes I played with it.
and also Marcali.

Regarding SCRIPT I didn't find how to position the artwork/lower thirds? It looks as it can't be reposition from within SCRIPT or in VS at all.

Thanks Trevor.
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Hi

Maybe a little confusion here, I was assuming you were using the Vitascene filter from the FX library to add to your video file.
Your latest image clearly shows using the transitions from A/B libraries.

Even so, I have now tested those transitions and do not have a problem there either.

Were you intending to add vitascene to the transition or the actual video clip? for the latter you use FX filters

I assume that will also crash your program, can you try FX filter options?
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Short update,
This morning I installed VSX7 on XPSP3 system with 3.5 years old Nvidia driver.
X7 works a bit snappier than what I experienced in win7, Vitascene work with no problem at all.

I will try to downgrade the driver on win7 later today.
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Hi

Thanks for the information.

Some manufacturers driver sites may scan your pc to check your drivers to check for the correct ones. I believe Nvidia can do that.

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Trevor, As long as I can control it I will give no one the chance to scan my system for "better" drivers.
For the last 20 years I'm a strong believer in "if it ain't faulty don't fix it".

** Rendering on X7 is very slow, check this 7 seconds project (you will need to relink to your samples). It took ~70 seconds to render it to 15Mbs MP4. I don't consider that ULTRA FAST....

*** Well, I downgrade Nvidia from 340.52 to 267.85 now Vitascene do not hog VSX7 but overall X7 is very slow while scrolling the timeline for preview. XP didn't bother at all to let me scroll immediately over trans or FX'ed clip.
On Vitascene I don't see the actual video but only A/B (I didn't find way to get the video) when used as filter I do see the clip. I set the preview there to DV PAL WIDE, changing that didn't affect the end result , sluggishness in VSX7.

---To be continued :?
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Is there a way to select a font in prodad hand-script? All I can see is the wizard, the wizard do not have any font selection and it isn't support unicode.
Upon applying one template to a clip, one can't change it. There is no way back to the template selection.
Workaround is to delete the filter and re-apply it.

Or there is a hidden trick to go past the wizard into a decent menu driven prodad hand-script filter.
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Hi
thanks for the sample VSP

Well my pc is a little slower than yours taking 3 minutes to render that project.
I used Same as first Clip and Mpeg4 15Mbps profile

Without the Title it took 20 seconds. There is a lot going on with that title having the standard Animation applied as well as FX Video Pan and Zoom, I would not normally apply both?
For the hell of it I ran the project through X6 a little longer at ( 3 min 45 sec

Take care when timing renders, the Smart Render can play a part speeding up render times, especially for second attempts. Re-load the project for each render or deselect Smart Render for comparisons.

As for Scripts, I have not used those except out of interest and maybe a quick test to see what they do.
As you say you can return to the Script Wizard panel to modify the selection simply by selecting the Customise option, then if you wish change the text, There does not seem to be a way of selecting a different template other than re-applying the filter.
I think that is oversight on Corels part, I don’t see any reason why the back button is not available.
Nor do I see a way to select different fonts

I must admit the Scripts do look good
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I will continue on the Script.
- It has absolutely no animation relevant to us "non Latin" primates.
Every graphic and predefine stuff is on the left, and it can't be reversed/modified.
- In order to position a predefine Script content, one must place it on one of VS overlay tracks.
But.... as it is a filter you must put it on a video. You can't place it over a color frame as VS will not chroma key it (This is major drawback in VS). So one must render few color only clips and use them with Script + chroma key and have the freedom of positioning and use additional overlay tools.

** Boris of course has the full program so one can modify all the predefined content.
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