AVCHD H.264-Intermittent Jitter On Disc Burn

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No that possibility of increasing to 214 Mbps does NOT apply to a hybrid disc. It only applies to making higher quality AVCHD clips. The discs are limited to 18/20 Mbps. This was the "old" but still very much active AVCHD 1.0 specification. But AVCHD 2.0 allows the products of clips up to 28 Mbps, but not hybrid discs using such bitrates. (And mp4 videos, produced using other codecs, and mpeg-2 transport stream Blu-Ray videos can use much higher bitrates...)

But yes, it is possible that when down-converting your bitrate when done as part of burning process that some jitter crept in. AVCHD is a very demanding format, and though your computer is more than capable of handling it, IMHO I think it still requires some care. That is why some of us here prefer to take things one step at a time -- edit, produce new video of project, then burn that new video; rather than editing and then jumping straight to burn and leaving that complicated conversion process take place as part of what is already a complicated burning process.

I might add here, on a personal note, that like Trevor, I used to produce AVCHD hybrid discs and was very satisfied with their quality. And I could play them on my PlayStation 3 which is an excellent Blu-Ray player apart from anything else it does. The PSP is connected via HDMI to my 46 inch HDTV. I then moved on to Blu-Ray discs, but these days I largely don't produce either type of disc. I prefer to simply produce my edited videos into their final form as either AVCHD 2.0, mp4 with bitrates above 28 Mbps or Blu-Ray mpeg-2 files, also with higher bitrates. Then I simply transfer them either to the PSP hard disk, or more usually an external USB hard disk or, less usually, a large capacity USB stick drive and connect these to my PSP. You may also be aware that many HDTVs more up to date than mine can play such videos direct from external drives or USB stick drives plugged directly into the HDTV; not to mention those HDTVs that can have streaming video played direct from the home network.

Mind you, you still probably need discs for distribution to family and friends -- though for AVCHD/Blu-Ray discs, your family and friends themselves have to have Blu-Ray players. But these days, with the cost of USB stick drives plummeting, it is more and more feasible to give friends and family your masterpieces on such a drive. And you will notice that X7 can even burn to SD cards...! :lol:
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I am a little confused at what point the jitters first show.

When you play the new AVCHD video file does that show the jitters?
Are you able to transfer that video file to a USB memory stick and play on the TV.

If the video is ok then burning the disc should be ok as the video is not converted during the burning process. (NO Convert Title) Take notice of the progress bar after pressing the burn button, If it shows Convert Title then the video is being converted again, yes it goes through a series of multiplexing but the actual video file is not changed.

If the video shows signs of stuttering then render again but deselect Smart Render.
In fact deselect Smart Render and create a new file.

As mentioned you can Create AVCHD Folder, that folder can be played on the pc to check quality. (Only a few media players will support the menu structure.)
However exploring the folder structure -- locate the Stream folder that contains the video file that would be on the disc. Does that stutter.?
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Several post back I asked the original poster if the disc played ok on his computer. He said yes and that he only sees the problem when the disc is played on his HD TV via his BluRay player.

Wouldn't that indicate tha the problem is more with the media used or the player or a combination of both?
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Hi canuck

Thanks for that info, yes you are correct and it would seem as though the problem is with the hardware rather than the burning stage.
Now I would suspect the type of disc rather than the players.

If hab were to copy the Avchd stream folder to usb memory stick and that played ok via the BD player, it would certainly rule out Video Studio?
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First of all, I have to say thanks to everyone for the time & help.

I did make another file with Smart Render de-selected, as lata suggested, & that was no better when the burned disc was played on HDTV via Blu-ray player..
The discs I am using are Verbatim AZO 4.7 GB 16x DVD-R. The video I am working with is only 23 minutes long & easily fits on that.
However, the discs are very old (6-10 years probably). Would that be an issue? Sounds like it might. If so, what type of disc would you suggest?

I have never worked with usb memory. How would I play that via Blu-ray player?
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Most Blu-Ray players have a USB port. Does yours? If so, just stick the stick drive into that port. How old is your HDTV? Can it play video? Most HDTVs also have USB ports, though only the more recent can play video from them.
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Hi

My HD TV does not have a USB, I guess it’s a little old. But my Bluray player and DVD Player does have USB and I play my video files using that input.
I think players are different in the way they access the file, I know that Ken and my sets are different.
My player will not play the Disc Image files which would include playing the menu, but will play the MTS movie file located in the Stream folder.

My standard DVD player will not play MTS but if I change the files extension to MPG will play.

I would expect your Blu-ray Player to have a USB port.

Standard DVD Discs, (4.7Gb)I have always purchased via the internet, always a Ritek G05 printable discs. I am sure there are many good discs, these were recommended 20 years ago???? reasonably priced and have not caused any problems.
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Tried a different disc (but still probably 10 years old) & while not quite as bad, still several stops & starts.
Will buy new discs today & try them. Any recommendations on brand, type etc.?
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Used a new disc, burned directly from edited video (including title rendering) & success.
Eureka!!! I guess (hope) it was just the ancient blank discs I was using.

Thanks to all for the patience, time & shared knowledge.
Was considering PowerDirector 12 because of all the good reviews but tried that & had multiple issues over weeks.
Like Corel (used to Pinnacle- similar interface) so now that I know it works well (the disc problem wasn't a Corel fault), feels good to use & does what I want I will buy this software.

Thanks again!
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Thanks for the feedback, very glad you have managed to burn a good disc.
As for types I did mention in an earlier reply to using Ritek G05 discs, printable face sourced from the internet.

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