Very odd burning issue in X4 Pro

[MysticNitekatt]

Besides that issue I've had with the test burning not working,(Going on 2 years!) another issue has cropped up I've been unable to locate the issue or a fix (even after setting to comparability mode to XP from 7)

I've been having intermittent issues with disc burning - discs are not properly burned and when played, during playback - at a point where two .vob meet, it sends the disc back to the menu. It's not even the point where the first two meet, sometimes it's two of the later ones. It only seems to happen on some discs at some times. I use Taiyo Yuden/JVC prodestional and Verbatium. These are static menus with no motion,video or audio.

Any thoughts?

[lata]

Hi

If you were to create a Disc Image rather than a disc that would use the same processes to create as burning a disc. (saving the file to the hard drive)
You can play the Disc Image (ISO File) using VLC Media Player, this will play also any menus.
If the disc image is ok then we should be able to assume that the actual discs or burner are the problem.

The Iso can then be burned to disc Tools- Burn from Disc Image.
There will be no further conversions so the disc should play as the iso.

Saying that some Iso media players may not handle the menus that well.


And if this is an ongoing issue I now understand why you needed to use the test before burning process?

Post updated
Just a thought….
Menu structure, there is setting via the “options cogwheel” lower left to set Navigation Controls.
Have you set these to how you require the menu to react…..Continue to play, Back to Menu etc……….

[MysticNitekatt]

I don't believe it's the burner (see why below) so I'm zeroing in on the software, or something with a missing-added windows 7, or a combination of the two. I had no issue, or apparent issues for the first year or so with the discs,menus,etc I have reinstated Window 7 a couple-three times and x4 pro several times

Here's an example - I'll burn a handful of different discs - lengths,content,etc, all using the same menu set up,or a couple different ones over the group and play fine on the computer but later find out one or two have an issue played elsewhere, and others are just fine. A lot of the time, these menus are custom created ones. Usually made from the same handful of standard styles. Top quality media,burned at 4x.

Now I've made DVDs using Windows DVD Maker in 7 and have had no issues what so ever out of several dozen discs.

I don't know if this issue is connected to the other issue I'm having with VS X4 Pro or not.

[lata]

May be I have the wrong idea of the problem, when you say “during playback - at a point where two .vob meet”
How do you identify that point?

All Vobs are 1 Gb (1024) with the exception of the last Vob that makes up the remainder.

A 3.9 Gb movie will have 3 Vobs at 1 Gb each the fourth being 0.9Gb

So are you referring to the actual Vob or the Menu structure

How many video clips are you using / adding to the burner module.
For each video you add a link or thumbnail is created on the menu.
How that menu reacts to being played is set by the navigation controls, it can continue to play or return to menu…......

[skier-hughes]

As you are burning several and only an odd one doesn't work, it sounds more like a compatibility issue with disc and player.
To test that theory try the faulty disc in several players and computers, it it works in most, in particular computers, then the disc is most likely ok.
Also, if you burn one project several times, as it's only a mix of 1's and 0's, one copy will be identical to another, it cannot differ. The only variables are the burner not burning correctly, the odd disc being faulty or incompatibility.

[MysticNitekatt]

May be I have the wrong idea of the problem, when you say “during playback - at a point where two .vob meet”
How do you identify that point?

All Vobs are 1 Gb (1024) with the exception of the last Vob that makes up the remainder.

A 3.9 Gb movie will have 3 Vobs at 1 Gb each the fourth being 0.9Gb

So are you referring to the actual Vob or the Menu structure

How many video clips are you using / adding to the burner module.
For each video you add a link or thumbnail is created on the menu.
How that menu reacts to being played is set by the navigation controls, it can continue to play or return to menu…......

The exact point when the disc returns to the menu matches the end of a .vob time wise. So somehow the disc doesn't continue to the next segment, but returns to the menu - these are all one clip situations. It's not two clips with the disc returning to the menu - it's as if it's faulty data telling it not to continue, but to go back to the menu. The other .vobs are there. The file is one file, no chapter marks with one thumbnail.

[MysticNitekatt]

As you are burning several and only an odd one doesn't work, it sounds more like a compatibility issue with disc and player.
To test that theory try the faulty disc in several players and computers, it it works in most, in particular computers, then the disc is most likely ok.
Also, if you burn one project several times, as it's only a mix of 1's and 0's, one copy will be identical to another, it cannot differ. The only variables are the burner not burning correctly, the odd disc being faulty or incompatibility.

I'm leaning towards a software issue, as it doesn't occur with any discs make with Windows DVD maker.

Months without any errors or issues,and then it crops up.

[canuck]

I doubt very much that it is a software issue, ie bug. If it were it would happen to everyone and reported long ago.

Could you list the files that are in the Video_TS folder and the file sizes?

[MysticNitekatt]

I doubt very much that it is a software issue, ie bug. If it were it would happen to everyone and reported long ago.

Could you list the files that are in the Video_TS folder and the file sizes?

Ok, here's from a known troubled disc -

VIDEO_TS IFO File 32k
VTS_01_0 IFO File 64k
VIDEO_TS.BUP 32k
VIDEO_TS.BUP 64k
VIDEO_TS VOB file 64k
VTS_01_01 VOB File 1,000,160 KB
VTS_01_02 VOB File 1,000.352 KB
VTS_01_03 VOB File 1,000,390 KB
VTS_01_04 VOB File 738,906 KB

Nothing looks out of place.

As regards to a software issue, I was thinking more along the lines an issue with the software disc itself. Considering the other lingering issue, perhaps something to it?

[skier-hughes]

So the faulty disc is faulty in every player and every pc it is tried in?

[MysticNitekatt]

So the faulty disc is faulty in every player and every pc it is tried in?

Plays fine in the computer where it's made, and then faulty in other players.

[canuck]

So the faulty disc is faulty in every player and every pc it is tried in?

Plays fine in the computer where it's made, and then faulty in other players.

If it plays fine in the computer and not in other players then that indicates a compatibility problem between the DVD media and player.

[MysticNitekatt]

So the faulty disc is faulty in every player and every pc it is tried in?

Plays fine in the computer where it's made, and then faulty in other players.

If it plays fine in the computer and not in other players then that indicates a compatibility problem between the DVD media and player.

But it's not a "traditional" compatibility issue - the same issue occurs the same way - plays part of the dvd to a point where two .vob meet and then returns it to the menu - the same way every time. You can play it in several different players -and it occurs at the same point. Happens with standard menus and custom made menus - I prefer menus that are static with no movement or sound - so they are the most simple of menus. Every error acts the same way on every problem disc - plays to a .vob point somewhere in the content and back to a menu. But the data is all there - every .vob is complete. Something is telling the dvd to go back to the menu when it shouldn't. These are single content discs ranging from 1.5GB to 4.0GB on average.

As I mentioned, two different content dvds made the same time back to back,same program,same menu style, and one plays fine across the board and the other has problems in the same group of players. I use Tayio Yuden media exclusively, and burn at 4x I've eliminated the content as an issue as when they are remade they are created with no problems Also have had no problem with ANY discs I've made using windows DVD maker (Windows 7) using same discs and same burner.

It's the creation of the disc data, not the disc that is the issue.

[canuck]

You said that the DVD plays fine on your computer. That means that the DVD was created correctly.

Have you burned the project to an iso image file and played that using the VLC player?

[MysticNitekatt]

You said that the DVD plays fine on your computer. That means that the DVD was created correctly.

Have you burned the project to an iso image file and played that using the VLC player?

Running tests currently. I'm going to create several new projects and make the iso files. Again, it's not one single project, it's intermittently happening on and of across projects and months Hopefully this might narrow down the situation, or atleast eliminate a possibility.

However, I still say there's an issue with the program, not the blank or final discs. As I've pointed out, I've created a number of DVDs using Windows 7 without a single issue anywhere they are played, same media and burner so that eliminates the burner. There's the fact that I'd create several different projects at the same time,and only one or two discs in a group will randomly, will exhibit this issue. I think I mentioned for the most part, I use customized static menus, no music new background. I use only T.Y. Discs, and burn at the lowest speed - 4x

I've run the program both as Windows 7 and XP compatible. the burner is only a couple years old (I can trace the issue back a year once I started getting reports of issues from friends, so perhaps something changed in the computer??) and has the current firmware.