Problems cutting and pasting colour balance

[Jord]

Has anyone else got a similar issue?

[afx]

At the moment Linux. I'll be on a Windows box hopefully later today.

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afx

[afx]

No idea - are you on Windows 64bit?

No problems on the W7 box with AS2 32bit either....

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afx

[mikkokan]

First post here!

I have the same problem. I've used Bibble4-5-ASP1 and now paid for the ASP 2 upgrade and I faced this problem.

If i choose one raw photo and press CTRL+C and then goto next image and press CTRL+V the white balance changes from "as shot" to "custom".

If I for example has an image that has WB 4900 straight from the camera and I leave the setting "as shot". Now I copy this image settings. When I paste the settings to the next image I have WB 4900 "custom" even if it really should be 5200 if it would stay "as shot".

Hope somebody understand my english. For now I must go back to ASP 1 to work...

[Jord]

OK on this weeks wedding I applied the batch setting in ASP1 and all is well - processing in ASP2 and the applied batch settings are as they should be. But on single images if I press CtrlC the white balance changes to custom even if the source photo is showing as shot. Most annoying.

Any ideas - and at least I know it not just me!!

[afx]

If i choose one raw photo and press CTRL+C and then goto next image and press CTRL+V the white balance changes from "as shot" to "custom".

If I for example has an image that has WB 4900 straight from the camera and I leave the setting "as shot". Now I copy this image settings. When I paste the settings to the next image I have WB 4900 "custom" even if it really should be 5200 if it would stay "as shot".

Which is a much better behavior than the old nonsense of just copying the As-Shot flag.
Because typically you want to copy the actual WB not the instruction to use As-Shot.

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afx

[mikkokan]

Really?

For example yesterday I had 1902 raw files to process. Most of these were taken inside where partly light came in from windows, then on the other side there was no windows but lightbulbs and because of this WB was different in every photo. So in same room I had sun, bulbs and something between those two. This is very typical scenario in weddings.
So now I must go throught every single 1902 photo and change WB to "as shot"?

If I want to copy the actual WB value I could change it manually when the flag is "custom" and then copy that to other pictures. That how it worked in ASP 1.

This kind of behaviour makes photo process way too slow for professional needs. I dont have time to edit every single image, thats why we have this copy/paste->batch workflow.

[afx]

For example yesterday I had 1902 raw files to process. Most of these were taken inside where partly light came in from windows, then on the other side there was no windows but lightbulbs and because of this WB was different in every photo. So in same room I had sun, bulbs and something between those two. This is very typical scenario in weddings.
So now I must go throught every single 1902 photo and change WB to "as shot"?

No.
Use selective copy.

If I want to copy the actual WB value I could change it manually when the flag is "custom" and then copy that to other pictures. That how it worked in ASP 1.

Yup, a major PITA. There have been enough complaints about this in B5 already.
Users expect expect the actual WB copied not some flag.

This kind of behaviour makes photo process way too slow for professional needs. I dont have time to edit every single image, thats why we have this copy/paste->batch workflow.

Sorrry, do not talk about speed when you do not even know the basic tools.

And, this also begs the question, why do you need to explicitly set As-Shot anyway? It is the default?

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afx

[mikkokan]

Ok, thanks I didn't know that I could use selective copy and uncheck WB from there if want to leave pictures "as shot". A much slower way though...

Users expect expect the actual WB copied not some flag.

Some users want to copy flags like me. If I want to copy some value I use custom WB, no problem.

And, this also begs the question, why do you need to explicitly set As-Shot anyway? It is the default?

It is but not anymore when I paste image settings. The behaviour changed between ASP1->ASP2.

Sorrry, do not talk about speed when you do not even know the basic tools.

Don't be sorry, its always nice to hear not to know even basics!

[afx]

Ok, thanks I didn't know that I could use selective copy and uncheck WB from there if want to leave pictures "as shot". A much slower way though...

Much slower? three clicks more....
And still, faster than doing it individually.
And you could always set up a Copy-Set for this if you find yourself doing it all the time, so you have dedicated hotkeys for the stuff you want to copy instead of going through menus.

Users expect expect the actual WB copied not some flag.

Some users want to copy flags like me. If I want to copy some value I use custom WB, no problem.

But what is the expectation of the average guy? Usually to have the same WB in the copy as in the original. So your use case is the exotic one.

And, this also begs the question, why do you need to explicitly set As-Shot anyway? It is the default?

It is but not anymore when I paste image settings. The behaviour changed between ASP1->ASP2.

Let me reword this...
All image adjustments that handle color or luminance depend on the white balance. So it makes no sense to copy all image adjustments but not the actual WB in most cases.
If you do not want WB copied, then use Selective Copy or Copy-Sets.

cheers
afx

[mikkokan]

Three clicks vs zero clicks

But I'll have to check if I could make some hotkey to make it easier.

But what is the expectation of the average guy? Usually to have the same WB in the copy as in the original. So your use case is the exotic one.

Yes it's fine when I process studio photos or portraits taken outside but when processing photos taken inside that has different light sources in one room then this new way of copying just WB value doesn't work. Maybe it's just me but I liked the ASP1 way better.

We see things in different way, best option would be a setting that one could choose how copy/paste works.

All image adjustments that handle color or luminance depend on the white balance. So it makes no sense to copy all image adjustments but not the actual WB in most cases.

Lets take example of a weggind ceremony:
Pictures:
1-100=outside (autolevel, sharpening 100)
100-120=inside pictures of decoration (sharpening 100, noise ninja 4, saturation +10...)
120-200=inside random pictures of moments (sharpening 100, fill light +30, noise ninja 8 )

And so on. Always in these example WB can be left "as shot" but everything else are different. List goes on 0-1500 usually.

[Jord]

Hi AFX

I really do not understand where you are coming from - if I have a 1000 images and I want each image to have the same sharpening, contrast ect I do not want to alter the White Balance, if I wanted to alter the WB I would and then Cut and paste. It not a case of one extra click it a case of a 1000 extra click on every image whereas if it would behave as it did on AS1 most images I would just click next. My camera gets the WB correct 90% of the time - I have no desire to chage the WB on these.

I find it a little patronising to say the least! I know how to do my job as I am sure others who have complained also. If the WB is left unchanged in the original I want to paste it as unchanged (i.e. as shot) if I want to change it to a custom WB I'll change it then cut and paste the settings.

I find myself going back to use AF1 and feel I have wasted the money on an upgrade as it in no way speeds up my workflow. Infact it doubles the time spent.

Is it not too much to ask to just revert the cut and paste procedure back to AS1 protocole?

Kind Regards.

[afx]

I really do not understand where you are coming from - if I have a 1000 images and I want each image to have the same sharpening, contrast ect I do not want to alter the White Balance, if I wanted to alter the WB I would and then Cut and paste.

If you copy all and everything, then you do have exposure and color adjustments in there as well, does not make much sense if your focus is sharpening / contrast.
That's where copy sets make life much easier.

It not a case of one extra click it a case of a 1000 extra click on every image

It is one extra click in selective copy to exclude WB...
And with an appropriate copy set it is even faster.
Claiming it needs to be done on individual images is nonsense.

whereas if it would behave as it did on AS1 most images I would just click next. My camera gets the WB correct 90% of the time - I have no desire to chage the WB on these.

Sure, just copy stuff you need but not WB.

I find it a little patronising to say the least! I know how to do my job as I am sure others who have complained also. If the WB is left unchanged in the original I want to paste it as unchanged (i.e. as shot) if I want to change it to a custom WB I'll change it then cut and paste the settings.

Well, the majority wants WB copied if they copy all image settings...
That is a bug that has been in B5 already.

Is it not too much to ask to just revert the cut and paste procedure back to AS1 protocole?

Well, the AS1 behavior was broken and they finally fixed it.
One of the positive things in AS2...

cheers
afx

[mikkokan]

For example Darktable respects original WB (as shot) when I copy/paste. Without thinking and making extra clicks.

I don't think that's a bug or the programs behaviour is broken.

[Jord]

I really am totally frustrated and can't understand if you have image settings you want to copy and past why it would change the wb. If I have altered the wb fine but if I haven't why change it? I've reverted back to AP1 and feel talking to the Corel moderators on here is equivalent to banging my head against a wall.

So how do I do a preset - I untick wb so it will not copy it yet it changes every single image anyway.

Just to reinitiate if I want do want WB copied if I have had to alter it but not if it is listed as shot. So As shot is the setting I am copying! 'AS SHOT IS WHAT I AM COPYING!

I know it a total waste of time even checking back as you basically don't seem to give a toss on your customers views.

A very disapointed user - and I have used the packed since Bibble days and always been perfectly happy.