New Year for AfterShot Pro...

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Re: New Year for AfterShot Pro...

Post by EOS »

grubernd wrote:
-cr wrote:to edit pictures out of a D610 and a D7100, two cameras ASP does not (currently?) support.
please check your install, the D7100 works here.
-cr wrote:I didn't like Darktable's user interface at all! It also felt slower than ASP.
that's a feature. darktable uses "Filmrolls" in their taxonomy, so it is pretty obvious that they try to make your workflow as slow as possible to mimic the days when you had to wait for 45 minutes to look at a slidefilm. if you had access to an E6 lab. ;)

My Darktable workflow is now faster than AS was.
where can you make in AS presets as:
if you have this camera + this lens + this F-number + this ISO = do that ?
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Re: New Year for AfterShot Pro...

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EOS wrote:if you have this camera + this lens + this F-number + this ISO = do that ?
try dcraw + exiftool + bash. it will make your workflow fully automatic. :D
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Re: New Year for AfterShot Pro...

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-cr wrote:Please do keep ASP alive, Corel!
Last week I had to use Darktable, ...
Hello -cr,
Did you try Lightzone? It's not a painful UI like darktable has.
Since ASP doesn't support my wife's camera I'm using Lightzone more and more. I think it has a very promising future.
Bye now.
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Rick Champagne wrote:Recently, the facebook page has also seen some commitment from the new team to communicate more regularly with the community. I strongly encourage you to visit the page to get the latest news
Gosh, that incredible amount of communication going on here and on facebook ... I simply can't keep that pace. Looking forward to new announcements of future plans - around X-mas 2015 maybe?
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Re: New Year for AfterShot Pro...

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lathspell wrote:
Rick Champagne wrote:Recently, the facebook page has also seen some commitment from the new team to communicate more regularly with the community. I strongly encourage you to visit the page to get the latest news
Gosh, that incredible amount of communication going on here and on facebook ... I simply can't keep that pace. Looking forward to new announcements of future plans - around X-mas 2015 maybe?
Possibly thinks we want see his Mugshot!
There is no activity apart from that worth mentioning.
Just the usual desperate souls asking for updates and snide comments from the usual culprits.

R.
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Re: New Year for AfterShot Pro...

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lathspell wrote:
Rick Champagne wrote:Recently, the facebook page has also seen some commitment from the new team to communicate more regularly with the community. I strongly encourage you to visit the page to get the latest news
Gosh, that incredible amount of communication going on here and on facebook ... I simply can't keep that pace. Looking forward to new announcements of future plans - around X-mas 2015 maybe?
As he said: "some commitment", which amounts to a greeting around christmas and an interview with Mr. Champagne himself on january 6th.

Since them only user-generated sarcasm.
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Re: New Year for AfterShot Pro...

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Unfortunately everything proceeds as I predicted ;-(

cheers
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afx wrote:Unfortunately everything proceeds as I predicted ;-(
I just wonder, Andreas, why are you so loyal to ASP, and spend so much time on this forum. I see you responded to almost every post. Why do you still invest so much of your time? Is it really just volunteer work?

I have really lost faith for significant changes and innovations in ASP, at least those in time and peace competitive to other well established software.
(I still often keep an eye at least on these few threads though, hoping for some good news, maybe a MIRACLE). But I do not hold breath for it.

I have moved elswhere - I have bougt CaptureOne Professional. I have never regretted it, at least in IQ respect. Though, I sometimes miss the workflow, flexibility, plugins and architecture of Bibble. But no HR problems, tile artifacts, coarse demosaicing, I have forgotten it forever, and do not want to cope with it anymore.

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Re: New Year for AfterShot Pro...

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lundbech wrote:
lathspell wrote:
Rick Champagne wrote:Recently, the facebook page has also seen some commitment from the new team to communicate more regularly with the community. I strongly encourage you to visit the page to get the latest news
Gosh, that incredible amount of communication going on here and on facebook ... I simply can't keep that pace. Looking forward to new announcements of future plans - around X-mas 2015 maybe?
As he said: "some commitment", which amounts to a greeting around christmas and an interview with Mr. Champagne himself on january 6th.

Since them only user-generated sarcasm.

It does get to be disheartening going to the forums both here and on Facebook and seeing a great silence from Corel. ASP has great potential so I keep clinging on...keeping my fingers crossed for better support of this fine software.
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grcolts wrote:It does get to be disheartening going to the forums both here and on Facebook and seeing a great silence from Corel. ASP has great potential so I keep clinging on...keeping my fingers crossed for better support of this fine software.
Corel has absolutely no clue what so ever about customer support. In less than a year the lightzoneproject has gathered more than 35000 members (on a website that requires email registration) while ASP still has less than 5000 likes on the facebookpage that they have chosen to neglect, and that number has remained at that level for some time. Even though those two numbers do not compare directly, they do say something about where ASP heading ... :cry:
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I have not used Lightzone so cannot comment on that software. However, I do use occasionally Apple Aperture and ACDSee Pro 3 Mac software. Between those two, Apple certainly offers the most features but they too have had their share of complaints about needing a new upgrade to an Aperture 4. So far, Apple has been pretty silent and many folks have moved on to LR5 as their patience thinned. As far as ACDSee Pro 3 for Mac, I find myself using it the most now days. It certainly is not feature loaded by any means and lacks much that ASP offers, but what it does it does well. There was a short time period where when Apple came out with Maverick that the program became useless, however, ACDSee offered a fix and all is well now. I still like ASP with all its complaints and remain hopeful that Corel will do what needs to be done to make this program really shine. Time will tell. I will try to check out Lightzone as time permits. Thanks for pointing that software out.
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Re: New Year for AfterShot Pro...

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Excellent comments sauron in your post on the OMD EM-1 thread !

Sadly, There's nothing that's as efficient as ASP. And seeing it coming to an end is a big concern. But we don't have any other choice than moving away.
That' s the problem. To which product moving to?? (as a linux user)
- LR: Adobe is out of question
- C1: Phase One are "anti" linux
- Darktable: terrible UI
- Photivo: excellent stuff in the editing part, but the browsing part is lacking. Morever, being alone, it must be tough for him to invest the time required for dev.
- LightZone: The development is very active and they are going the right direction. Lack in the browsing compare to ASP (such as magnifier...), not as fast as ASP... but let's cross the fingers for the future. Could our "plugin specialists" move to LZ? That would be helpfull!
What are you switching to sauron?

So long,
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Re: New Year for AfterShot Pro...

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I was on a trip recently and forced myself to do all my image processing with Darktable, and have come away feeling much better about the UI than I started. A few things that have helped me make the transition:-
  • Adjusting the UI element colours to be a bit less contrasty made it easier on the eyes - read Elle Stone's review at http://ninedegreesbelow.com/photography ... useability for details on how to do this.
  • Learning the hotkeys - F1-F5 for colour labels, 1-5 for rating, F11 for fullscreen, hold down Tab to just show the image and lose all the interface elements. Others were also useful, but just getting that set in my head reduced my irritation levels considerably.
  • Figuring out that you can move the sliders quite finely by hovering over them and using the mouse wheel, which meant I was much less frustrated by fine clicking around
  • Using the right click to get at the Bauhaus widgets for exposure/black levels etc, which actually makes fine tuning very easy.
  • Watching pretty much all Robert Hutton's videos - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... o1B468zEA0. They were a big help.
With this, I got in the habit of culling images by hovering over them with the mouse and labeling/rating using the hotkeys in the lighttable, then just selecting all images of a particular colour label for further editing in the collect module. Then flip into darkroom mode, and edit each image in turn, moving between them with space/backspace. It drives me mad that the cursor keys don't work, but still.... I expected to get annoyed enough to switch back to ASP, but actually didn't fire it up for the whole trip, in the end.

There's still much about the interface I dislike - the tagging features and library management aren't great, and I think it's pretty much unusable on a laptop without an actual mouse, but I got some pretty good results. I like the mask manager - that's better than Bibble/ASP, and doesn't have the single heal/clone layer limitation. Once you figure your normal workflow out you can stick those modules to your favourites list. Also, the graduated density filters and masks make it easy to selectively adjust different areas of an image. I went into that trip with the same "terrible UI" view as you, and have come away with a view that the UI is still flawed and incomplete, but is manageable. The image quality is better than ASP ever managed as well, IMHO.

Give it a try for some serious work, and I'd be interested to see what you think. The linux options aren't many - I didn't want to run anything through emulation layers or VMs, so it's Darktable, Lightzone, Photivo or Rawtherapee. Darktable is open source, has active development and an interested community, and Linux is the primary platform, so I think that the time I spend there isn't wasted. I'm tempted to try to add better tagging support to it, but we'll have to see how time goes.
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Re: New Year for AfterShot Pro...

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sauron wrote:I was on a trip recently and forced myself to do all my image processing with Darktable, and have come away feeling much better about the UI than I started.
I adding this to the workflow of darktable :D :-)
"auto apply presets" it's a little bit hard to set this up but it's also great
(for eos 5DII do this with noise / for eos 7D + lens X to this for exposure) and this is possible in each module :wink:

"auto load img to database" on startup with the help of LUA script:
http://users.telenet.be/photo-memories/ ... _start.jpg
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Re: New Year for AfterShot Pro...

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Thanks suron for your feedback. It's very much appreciated.
My wife is using LightZone with her OMD-EM5/EM1. I really like it's UI. But there are several things that I miss, like the magnifier in the Browse mode, ...
You've got a point about Darktabe by saying: "has active development and an interested community, and Linux is the primary platform,...". And that's the attractive part (+ the quality of the image rendered I was told).
I guess that I'll have to give another try and go from there. Leaving ASP is gonna be painful anyway! I will miss so much my workflow with ASP. But we have to do what we have to do. (THANK YOU COREL! :evil: )

Once again, thanks you for your feedback, and sharing your tips.
Take care.
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