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Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

Post by xavier »

Hi there!

I'm going to buy a new PC, mainly for photo post-processing with AfterShot Pro. I wonder which CPU I should take...
  • What make - i7, Xeon, AMD?
  • How many cores - is there a limit in what AfterShot Pro can utilize?
  • Hyperthreading - does anyone have some data on its usefulness in AfterShot Pro?
  • Anything else I forgot?
I'm asking these questions specifically for AfterShot Pro. I wouldn't want to buy a 10 cores machine and realize only 8 are used for instance. Price is not an issue, although the price/performance ratio is certainly to be considered at some point.

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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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Xavier

I think another reasonable question would be which graphics card will get the best out of the OpenCL functionality. I think I remember AFX remarking that you needed a high end card - I certainly haven't seen any improvement with the low end cards (PCIe version 1.x) cards I own. I tried both an NVidia and a Radeon 6450.
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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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xavier wrote:[*] What make - i7, Xeon, AMD?
Hex i7 is probably the most cost efficient for high performance, otherwise use multiple Xeons if you have money to burn.
[*] How many cores - is there a limit in what AfterShot Pro can utilize?
At 32 you start running into OS issues...
[*] Hyperthreading - does anyone have some data on its usefulness in AfterShot Pro?
In contrast to the initial hyperthreading that Intel had ages ago, the current chips do have a useful hyperthreading that is usable for AS.
[*] Anything else I forgot?
If you want OpenCL support, get a server grade card, not the consumer cards.
Drivers are usually significantly better than on the consumer toys that are geared towards gamers.
But, if you have a high end CPU, then a low end OpenCL card might not have as much benefit.
On my old Quad Phenom, putting in a FirePro V4900 (the second smallest) resulted in a ~25% speed increase in batch operations for my D700 files.

Put your cache or catalog on SSD.

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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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Thanks guys for your answers! That's interesting, I hadn't realized you could use a graphic card...
So would you rather upgrade for a bigger CPU (an i7 3970 is about +700$ from the 3770) or put a graphic card like a W7000 instead for about the same price?
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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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I don't have enough benchmark data to really answer that, sorry.

And why a 3970? 3930 has a much better price/performance ratio. Getting the top end of any processor line is usually not cost efficient.

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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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That was just to know if it would be better to invest on graphic card or a CPU, at a given price tag.
I am just starting to look around, I shouldn't have referred to a specific processor...

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I would also consider the newer 8 core AMD processors. If you have an app that can use all their cores (like Aftershot) they can perform VERY well for the money.
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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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theWiki wrote:I would also consider the newer 8 core AMD processors. If you have an app that can use all their cores (like Aftershot) they can perform VERY well for the money.
As has been written so that the slightly smaller caches of AMD work well. But, a 6 core i7 will still outperfom an 8 core AMD, due to the hyperthreading which results in a runtime behavior of 12 cores.
But I would probably take an 8 core AMD over a 4 core i7...

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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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xavier wrote:That was just to know if it would be better to invest on graphic card or a CPU, at a given price tag.
I am just starting to look around, I shouldn't have referred to a specific processor...
The problem is, as soon as price enters the question, one needs to look at specific chips, as price goes up exponentially at the top end...

Unfortunately, I don't know of any benchmarks that will show where the cross over point between CPU and GPU performance is. I'd love to see that....

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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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Another pair of questions you may wish to consider is noise and over/under/clocking and volting.

On noise, I don't recall what the TDP of the 8-core AMDs is, but 130W cpus have a lot of heat to dissipate. Same for high end graphics cards. A good source of information on quiet PCs and components is www.silentpcreview.com. Or maybe you like Heavy Metal :D ?

I used to run my folding machine (Core2Duo) at a 25% overclock, while undervolting to reduce the heat - at the time this machine stood in the sitting room of our apartment, and I like chamber music. What I have read about the 3930 certainly suggests it is easy to O/C and U/V - if you are comfortable with that stuff. Just get a motherboard that allows you to keep the previous stable config!
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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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afx wrote:
theWiki wrote:I would also consider the newer 8 core AMD processors. If you have an app that can use all their cores (like Aftershot) they can perform VERY well for the money.
... a 6 core i7 will still outperfom an 8 core AMD, due to the hyperthreading which results in a runtime behavior of 12 cores.
Oh definitely, but those are $500-1000 CPUs and you can get the AMD FX-8350 for $200. The Motherboards for the Intel hex cores are little more expensive, too.
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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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Re-reading your original post, it seems to me you aren't likely to want to build your own system. The good news is that the PC makers get their components for much less than theWiki and I can buy them, because they buy in bulk. The bad news is that you will have to compromise on the "best fit" of features that you want.

In that light, the graphics characteristics are key, because you will spend as much time looking at, and working on, your photos as you will waiting for the development batches to complete.

As will be the portability requirement ...
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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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afx wrote:Unfortunately, I don't know of any benchmarks that will show where the cross over point between CPU and GPU performance is. I'd love to see that....
Ok, thanks a lot for all this information already - I really appreciate.
theWiki wrote:... a 6 core i7 will still outperfom an 8 core AMD, due to the hyperthreading which results in a runtime behavior of 12 cores.
Oh definitely, but those are $500-1000 CPUs and you can get the AMD FX-8350 for $200. The Motherboards for the Intel hex cores are little more expensive, too.[/quote]And unfortunately it looks like you cannot stuff two FX on one single mobo. That would be a killer - a hot and loud one!
Dutchmm wrote:Re-reading your original post, it seems to me you aren't likely to want to build your own system.
I actually do. Although I've never done it before, it looks like a lot of fun.
Dutchmm wrote:The good news is that the PC makers get their components for much less than theWiki and I can buy them, because they buy in bulk. The bad news is that you will have to compromise on the "best fit" of features that you want.
The other bad news is that they usually take a huge margin (may be country-dependent... I'd have to check now I moved). I could always build a cheaper machine than the Dell equivalent, and use the difference to get a more powerful one with fancy silent parts (case, fans) - but in the end it always ended up more noisy than a Dell for some reason.
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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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xavier wrote:I could always build a cheaper machine than the Dell equivalent, and use the difference to get a more powerful one with fancy silent parts (case, fans) - but in the end it always ended up more noisy than a Dell for some reason.
A Lian Li case with with proper silent fans is really silent. I don't even hear the GPU fan in my box.

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Re: Ultimate CPU for AfterShot Pro

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xavier wrote: I actually do. Although I've never done it before, it looks like a lot of fun.
It is. And not at all difficult.

I found a very useful price-comparison site - when I lived in Amsterdam - called Tweakers. It is in Dutch, but then if you live in Copenhagen you should find someone who can help you use it; or :oops: you might be a Flemish speaker . I can recommend a store, too - I used to buy my components from azerty.nl, (despite their name they do not speak French :( ). The components always arrived well packed.

Good luck with your build.
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