HELP!!! VS8

sportswizdan · Post by **sportswizdan** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:21 am

Hi everyone...

First of all, I'm capturing with a sony digital camcorder via firewall to DV-AVI. My final destination will be to DVD. Now, when i go to my editing I keep the exact same properties. Here is my question...
I am all done with my editing and am going to "share" create video file. Do i keep the project properties the same(DV-AVI) or change them here to MPEG2? If I keep them at DV-AVI when I go to "share" and create disc and change it there to MPEG2 woudnt that be rendering and burning my DVD at the same time? Which is the correct way?

Also... I am asking this because I am all done editing one of my projects and when I go to the "share" create video file... When I change this there to Mpeg2 it gets to rendering all the way to 99% and then says it has to shut down but when I go to the folder where I saved this video, the whole rendered project is there and plays from start to finish just fine.

I tried saving my vsp file in "share" create video file as an AVI, same as my capture properties and it went all the way thru to 100% and saved everything just fine. When I created my video file as an MPEG the size was 233 MB. but when I created it as an AVI it was 1.10 GB.

So, in closing, should I be "creating my video file" as an MPEG or AVI file as I am capturing and editing it as an DV-AVI. I understand that when I burn to DVD that I have to change it there for sure to MPEG2 but am very confused as what to do in the "create video file" part. Why did it work just fine as an AVI but crashed when I did it as a MPEG?

Thanks to everyone!!!
Dan

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:02 am

Hi

1 / Capture to Dv-Avi
2 / Edit your project
3/ Create video file
If you wish to export the final video back to your cam corders mini dv tape, then select Dv-Avi.

If you are to burn a dvd then select the Dvd template.

You can customise / create your own templates to suite the length of your video--Tools / Make Movie Manager.
Using a bit rate calculator is handy:- http://dvd-hq.info/Calculator.html

Read the tutorials from the link below.
Read my Quick Guide for Avi and Mpeg

As for the process stopping at 99%, that should not happen, but at least the video file was created.
It may require a reinstall of VS.

Hope this Helps

Trevor

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:10 am

Hi

Just a thought

When creating a video file use the DVD template not Mpeg 2.

Dvd template uses Lower Field Order.

Whereas Mpeg 2 uses Frame Based, not what you want.

sportswizdan · Post by **sportswizdan** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:24 am

Trevor...

when I used the Mpeg seeting I noticed the field order asa frame based and i did change it to lower field. I also went back to my vsp project and changed a few things and saved it again. I went to create my video file as an MPEG and it crashed again at 99% and again when going back...the whole clip was there. AGAIN. when I went to create file and made a AVI file...it went thru 100% no problems. So i should be switching over here to MPEG when creating my video file correct? I noticed in previous posts that alot of people keep there captured AVI work and make there video file AVI so they can export back to rhere camcorder...I dont want to export it back to my cam. Making a DVD. What is the problem in capturing AVI, editing AVI, and making your video file in AVI? I know i have to change it too MPEG when making my DVD...Just want to be sure which way is correct or can you do it either way.

Thanks, Dan

sportswizdan · Post by **sportswizdan** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:46 am

OK, I also just tried to create my MPEG video file with the NTSC DVD template. Same result, it crashed at 99%. and again i made a AVI video file no problem. What is wrong???

Making a AVI video file is wrong here because its final destination is DVD...correct? The wayIm seeing this is if I make an AVI video file, when I go to the burning stage, it will be rendering and burning at the same time which is incorrect??? HELPPPPPPPPPPPP

Thanks, Dan

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:36 am

Hi

I normally capture and edit in Dv-Avi with my project setting the same as my captured clip eg Avi.

Then I create a video file to Pal-Dvd.

If the video is longer than one hour I will adjust the bit rate to reduce the file size to fit a Dvd.
Using Tools / Make Movie Manager you can create your own templates.

When the file is complete I start a new project making sure the properties match the new video file.
I then go to Share create disc / add video using the newly created file.

There should be no rendering prior to burning the Dvd as the file being used is compatible to Dvd, and the project properties match the video clip.

The only reasons for creating a Dv-Avi from your project would be to export back to a camera or for archiving the file.(saving the file for the future)

The normal procedure would be:-

1---Capture to Dv-Avi
2---Edit (project settings as Avi
3---Create a Video file to Ntsc or Pal Dvd
4---Create Disc using the new file made in 3 above.

Read this list http://www.stephen-wray.co.uk/lata/vs/g ... de_avi.htm

Creating a new video file allows you to view the completed movie on your pc before burning.

I do not understand why your rendering freezes at 99%???????????????
Is it just the one project that is freezing or does it freeze on any render.?

Create a new test project and try a render.

Does the process freeze if you render the new Avi to Mpeg, rather than using the video project?

You say you are using VS 8 have you applied the various update patches?

Trevor

sportswizdan · Post by **sportswizdan** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:03 pm

Trevor,
Thanks for all of your help. I will try and re-install VS8 then make and burn a new project.

Dan

kebrinton · Post by **kebrinton** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:25 am

sportswizdan --

I may be off the wall on this, but I still get the feeling, reading your above postings, that something is missing. I think a step is missing. If I say what TA has already said, sorry.

You capture the way you have described. And edit in .AVI format because it's lossless (though that can be discussed...). So far, as you edit, cut, add stills, put in sound -- all that -- you have not altered the original video file one bit. All your editings are "saved" in the .VSP file which you'll notice grows larger the more you edit. But still very very small.

Then you "Share > Create video file > Same as project properties" and that is the equivalent of saving a document in Word. What comes out will be an .AVI file which incorporates all your editings. I'm sure you must know this, so again, sorry. However, lots of people believe they are altering the original captured .AVI file as they edit; this is not so.

After that first "Share" you have a new .AVI file with a new name you've saved it as. Now go to File > Project Properties and change them from .AVI to .MPEG. Click "Edit" and choose NTSC-DVD (if that's yours) and compression rate and lower field first etc etc. Click OK. Now you have set it as an .MPEG file ... but you haven't really CREATED an .MPEG file until you "Share > Create video file > Same as project properties" a second time. Do that. The new .MPEG file will appear in the folder with the .AVI file it was made from.

Now EMPTY your timeline with "File > New Project" and then click "Share" and choose "Create disk." You'll fetch the newly created .MPEG file in by clicking "Insert Video" and you won't be rendering and burning at the same time because you'll be starting out with an already-created .MPEG file.

I can't see why you'd have any trouble following these steps. If VS8 freezes or won't finish, it's not a problem with your method; it's the program.

Good luck.
Keith

sportswizdan · Post by **sportswizdan** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:50 am

Keith...

Thanks for responding! In reading what you wrote me... I didnt take that extra step in creating 2 video files. The first one being same as my project settings(AVI). The second being creating "another video file" but this time changing it to an MPEG file. Then I go and burn the second created video file(which is MPEG) to DVD. Is this the way it's suppose to be with "creating 2-video files" before burning to DVD? I appreciate yours and everyone elses opinions.

Dan

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:15 am

If you do not want to keep a back-up of your edited file for (possible) future re-editing on DV tape, there is no need to create a new AVI file prior to sharing it to DVD. It would be a waste of time to do that because you have no use for the resultant file.

Create your mpeg file, based on the relevant DVD template, PAL or NTSC, from within VS. That mpeg file is then used to author to DVD and you are done.

kebrinton · Post by **kebrinton** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:39 pm

Maybe the later version of UVS allows skipping steps, as h-o suggests. But the great Jerry Jones, may his name be honored, taught us to take each step each time.

I'd respond to the overall question about creating that first .AVI file this way: If you don't create it, you really have nothing. The project you have on your timeline, with background music, voice-over, titles, etc., really doesn't exist anywhere. It's just an image based on the .VSP project file. And that must be what misleads early users of UVS into thinking they've already "created" something, as they work, continually saving.

Other, very experienced forum members have evidence that working with .MPEG2 and editing in that format from the start, does NOT result in noticeable quality loss. (Unlike cropping and editing .JPEG photos!). So probably you could do that. But it IS a compressed format and therefore doesn't have all the digital information that the original .AVI file had.

It is not recommended to "capture" in .MPEG format unless you have very fast, modern equipment, because you are asking the computer to capture and convert to the format on the fly. Safer to do this separately, using the method I outlined above -- either before working on the project, or after.

Keith