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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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PAL wrote:I burned this night a large file (HDV, MPEG) on the NTFC harddisk. And the reslult is OK.
1 largefile in steady quality. I can than make a menu and chapters in another programme and can finnish the project.

Besides that I have no answer / don't understand the initial problem which existb by burning the total project as a DVD folder with chapters (and menu) on the NTFC or FAT32 harddisk.
There was no difference between the 2 harddiscks.
I realy want to understand how I can solve the initial problem.

any new suggestions?
On what drive (FAT32 or NTFS) were your source files located when you get the frame problems?

Since none of the files in a folder can be bigger then 1GB, then a folder set can be created on a NTFS or a FAT32 drive.
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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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Lata & Canuck many thanks for helping.
Yesterday and today I have tried several things you suggested. This resulted in one large file (MPEG).

Sadly at this moment I got a problem with the software (probably it comes to my limited spec of my computer). The program stops when I use "create disc". I can watch the example but after pressing the button "next" to the burning page, the software stops.

I think I have to re-install the programm, as I tried many times.....
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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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Hi

Ok you have created s big single video file.
Can you tell us the properties of this file?

Start a new project.
Insert the large mepg file to the top timeline
Right click the clip and select properties. What are they?
You can create an image of the widow and attach to your post, otherwise simply type in the details.

You mentioned earlier that the project was 1 hr 44 min, is this correct.
If you were to render this using 5500kbps ish it should produce a file lower than 4.3 Gb and fit to a single disc. I think?

I have to say the you should reduce the file size and try burning to a Single disc rather than a Duel Layer.
Try creating a Disc Image rather than a Disc, at least you wont create those coasters.......
I had problems using Duel Layer and simply gave up, reverted to single layer discs.

I do not think re-installing the program will improve things, Although it should not course cause any problems in doing that.
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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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Image

Here with the details of the large file, placed on the timeline.

How is it possible to create 1 disc instead of a dual layer with holding the same quality?
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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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You can't.

A standard 4.7GB DVD can only hold about 60 minutes of video at a best quality setting which is around 8000 kbps bitrate . To get longer videos on a DVD you have to decrease the bitrate which will of course reduce your quality. You seem to be starting with HD video and it would be a shame to lose all that quality by squeezing it to a single DVD.

Why did you create a HD video if your final project will be standard mpg video on a DVD?
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lata wrote: OK back to your original chapter points question.
1 /
The issue has been raised before but I do not think the cause/cure was found.
It is of course possible that the Fat32 issue caused the problem in splitting the video saved to the temporary BurnTemp folder
I have now save the Burn Temp folder on the external NTFS harddrive. This results in a great large file. So that works well. I have also placed the original files on the external NTFS harddrive. Just to be sure.

2/
I asked earlier if you hdd removed all green triangle chapter points from the timeline.
These can be added to the timeline even though there is no clips at that point.
These would be carried over to the burner module after adding your video files. I guess may confuse the chapter point settings?
I have tried 2 things:
- Delete all green triangle chapter points and create chapter points in the menu section. Automatic selection of chapters by the software. Some changings done by hand as there where tomuch chapters indicated.
- Use the green triangle chapter points in the menu section

Both tried actions gives the error message

3 / If you do Create Disc using NTFS drives only do you have a problem.
After your messages I tried that. First I tried to make a large file which is done great.
After that I wanted to create the disc but now the programme stops when I'm in the "creating disc" section (see my messsage of yesterday)


4 / Are you able to replicate the chapter points problem. ( "Some start frame numbers of chapters are greater than the number of frames")
See my message of yesterday. I have first to solve the new problem with the programme. Then I would like to replicate
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canuck wrote:You can't.

A standard 4.7GB DVD can only hold about 60 minutes of video at a best quality setting which is around 8000 kbps bitrate . To get longer videos on a DVD you have to decrease the bitrate which will of course reduce your quality. You seem to be starting with HD video and it would be a shame to lose all that quality by squeezing it to a single DVD.

Why did you create a HD video if your final project will be standard mpg video on a DVD?
Reason for creating a DVD is to share this DVD with friends.
Other option is to create a Blu Ray I guess to hold the HD video quality?
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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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Hi Pal

Thanks for the properties info regarding the video files.

If you are intending to burn a standard DVD ---- DO NOT create the 1440 x 1080 video file.---
You must create a DVD compliant Mpeg2 file

You say the original camera files are:-

H.264 video
24 bits, 1280*720, 16:9
framespeed: 25.000 frames/s
dataspeed: variable bitspeed (max. 16568 kbps)

To burn a DVD

A standard DVD uses Mpeg 2 type files.

Typically :-

PAL (25 fps)
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Frame-based (as original)
(DVD-PAL), 16:9 (as original)
Video data rate: 5500 kbps constant--(will allow for 105 minutes of video)
Audio data rate: 256 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

How….
Edit the Project Properties to the above settings. (Alt+ Enter) (Settings – Project Properties)
Then Share Create Video File Same as Project Properties.

Note :-

You are attempting to create a video file under 4.3 Gb to fit to standard DVD
Video Data rate using “variable” will produce a smaller file size, how much smaller really depends on the movement/action of the video, so a setting or 6000 variable may produce a file well under 4.3 Gb

If you are intending to burn to Duel Layer then use 8000kbps Constant.
That will create a file under 8 GB and fit to disc.

Once you have created the file.
1 / Start a new project—nothing in the timeline
2 / Share Create Disc
3 / Choose the disc size lower left of the window
4 / Add Media Files—Add Video use the file created above.

From the final window choose to Create a Disc Image, the iso file will also contain the menu, just like the disc.
Play the ISO using VLC Player.

A little more info regarding file sizes, I have just rendered a 105 minute video using 5500kbps (Constant), the resultant file size is under 3 GB, so my recommendations regarding the data rate are a little low, I guess I will run a few more tests, just started a render using 6000kbps Constant.

Remember to use the NTFS hard drive
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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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Sadly I stucked with no working software at the moment. So I can not try your suggestions.

As this is not the toppic - probably this should "off topic".

What happend at the moment
1. Select "Share"
2. Select "Making Disc"
3. Select "DVD"
4. Add media (vsp)
5. No menu
6. Next
7. Watch example --> Next
8. Programme stops

I have to cancel the process. I tried this serveral time but get stucked at the same step.

How can I solve this?
Then I can try to solve the initinal issue
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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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Hi

Do not burn a VSP but create a Video File used to burn the disc

From part 4 you are adding a vsp, this has to ne converted to a mpeg2 file prior to burning the disc. If there is a problem with the vsp content then the conversion may fail.

Using the same VSP open in the editing timeline.
Share Create Video File DVD will create a mpeg 2 compliant video file, suitable to burn a dvd.

Assuming that completes without problems, play the file to check quality.

Start a new project, nothing in the timelines
Share Create Disc --DVD
Add media—Add Video File –the mpeg made above. Do NOT add VSP.

If you were unable to create the video file -- the render fails, at what point does it fail, and what have you in the timelines at that point.?
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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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Hi,

I've done what you ask for.

1. Select "Share"
2. Select "Making Disc"
3. Select "DVD"
4. Add video file mpg
5. No menu
6. Next
7. Watch example --> Next
8. Programme stops

At the same step in the process the programme stops. :cry:
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Are you using a standard, DVD compliant mpg video file (not the 1440x1080 file)?
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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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Hi Pal

Can you confirm that you have converted the Fat32 Hard Drive to NTFS type.

If not, have you changed the working folder for the Burner Module to the NTFS drive.
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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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lata wrote:Hi Pal

Can you confirm that you have converted the Fat32 Hard Drive to NTFS type.

If not, have you changed the working folder for the Burner Module to the NTFS drive.
Yes, I only use my hard disk which is NTFS and the external hard disc in NTFS format. I won't use the FAT32 anymore - after I heard your advises.
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Re: Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of fr

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canuck wrote:Are you using a standard, DVD compliant mpg video file (not the 1440x1080 file)?
Hi Canuck,

I tried that with several video files of diferent sources but still get stucked.
So not relation to the source of the video file, I guess.
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