Start frame numbers of chapter greater than number of frames

[PAL]

Hi there,

This is regarding a error message by Video Studio Pro X5
I would ask your help for understanding a fault message which I got after creating a DVD map.
This is the original message in Dutch: "Sommige startframenummers van hoofdstukken zijn groter dan het aantal frames". 533:-2147216477:0
Translation: "Some start frame numbers of chapters are greater than the number of frames"

This was also discussed here - but I can not understand the solution: http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php ... 5&p=120629

The situation:
I have all the same video files (H.264, 24 bits, 25.000 f/s) [worked with this kind of files a couple times and worked alway very well]
I have added some tekst and pictures.
Total length of video is 01:50 hour.
Starting the procedure DVD creating, with burning the DVD folders on my harddisc.
Afther the burning proces I got the fault message.

After creating the DVD map I got the fault message (as describbed above) and found on my harddisc the VIDEO_TS folder with 5 files VTS_01_1 till VTS_01_5. The total time of these loose files is ca. 76 minutes. So I missed a hughe chunk.
I got the same fault message when I have created chapters within the videofile but also when I created chapters later at the video menu.

When I do not burning a DVD folder but select creating a video file (DVD-video) than I get separated end files instead of just one big file. Maybe this has the same cause??

I hope that someone can help / advise me what to do.

Thanks in advance
PAL

[Ken Berry]

When I do not burning a DVD folder but select creating a video file (DVD-video) than I get separated end files instead of just one big file.

No -- this sounds as though it is possibly doing things correctly, though perhaps we need more information. Do you mean that if you have your whole, single project in the editing timeline and select Share > Create Video File > DVD, it does not create a single new DVD-compatible mpeg-2?

Or do you mean that you intend to burn several different videos onto one DVD?

Can you also explain more about what you mean by a 'DVD map'? Do you mean a DVD Folder?

[lata]

Hi

It is a little difficult to understand what is happening here. But it does seem to be some confusion regarding the Chapter points.

From the edit timelines, can you please remove all chapter points showing at the top of the timeline as a “green triangle”, right click the bar and Remove Chapter Points.
That’s assuming they have been added here.
Save the project

Share – Create Disc –DVD opens the burner module.
Add your chapter points here

Create a Disc Image or DVD Folder, does that complete without problems.

[PAL]

[quote=" Do you mean that if you have your whole, single project in the editing timeline and select Share > Create Video File > DVD, it does not create a single new DVD-compatible mpeg-2?

Or do you mean that you intend to burn several different videos onto one DVD?

Can you also explain more about what you mean by a 'DVD map'? Do you mean a DVD Folder?[/quote]

Yes 2 folders with audio and video_TS, but not complete. I'm missing a lot of minutes of the project and got that error message.
No combining of video files for burning.

I mean with DVD map the DVD folder

[PAL]

Hi

It is a little difficult to understand what is happening here. But it does seem to be some confusion regarding the Chapter points.

From the edit timelines, can you please remove all chapter points showing at the top of the timeline as a “green triangle”, right click the bar and Remove Chapter Points.
That’s assuming they have been added here.
Save the project

Share – Create Disc –DVD opens the burner module.
Add your chapter points here

Create a Disc Image or DVD Folder, does that complete without problems.

Thanks for pointing this out. I thought that I had that done in the past and that it gives the same error. To be sure I will try this again and would let you know.

I also try to save the DVD folder on an external harddisk in FAT32 and NTFS, but no difference.

[PAL]

I have tried to burn the DVD folder without any chapters in it. So no menu, no chapters.

The programmes says that it was succesfull burned. So no error messages about frame numbers and chapters.
I got a VIDEO_TS folder. But the total time is 1:14 instead of the 1:50. And I realy missed some videos?
For me it is ok to have a dvd without a menu or chapters at this moment, because I want to finish this project. But I wanted the total of the videotime burned, and not just a part.

Looks like that there is realy a problem.

Any further help / suggestions.

[lata]

Hi

After adding your files to the burner module the lower bar shows the size and duration of the project.
Showing in Green is ok.
Any Yellow and the project will not fit to disc, any Red and its far to big.

The data rate of the video files/Project control the GB size of the video.

You say 1.14 is being burned, this to me indicated a Data rate of 8000, to allow 1.50
IS that 1.5 hours (90 minutes) or 1 hr 50 minutes. (110 minutes)

If 90 minutes you would need a data rate or 6000kbps, approximately.

Tell us the properties of the video files being used, especially the data rate.

[lata]

Hi there,

When I do not burning a DVD folder but select creating a video file (DVD-video) than I get separated end files instead of just one big file. Maybe this has the same cause??
Thanks in advance
PAL

Hi

This comment from your first post is interesting.
Are you saying that when doing Share Create Video File that the project is rendered but into two separate files.

Your operating systems drives should be using NTFS, this is the most commonly used option, however some drives may use FAT32
This option has a 4 GB limit on file size.

Can you confirm that the drive used to save the video to is NTSC and not Fat32

[PAL]

Hi

After adding your files to the burner module the lower bar shows the size and duration of the project.
Showing in Green is ok.
Any Yellow and the project will not fit to disc, any Red and its far to big.

The data rate of the video files/Project control the GB size of the video.

You say 1.14 is being burned, this to me indicated a Data rate of 8000, to allow 1.50
IS that 1.5 hours (90 minutes) or 1 hr 50 minutes. (110 minutes)

If 90 minutes you would need a data rate or 6000kbps, approximately.

Tell us the properties of the video files being used, especially the data rate.

Hello there,
Some answers on your message:
Burning as a video file on my harddisc and not on a disc (DVD-R) has no limmits as far as I know.
By "creating disc" I selected DVD, than I have selected a double layer disc 8,5 GB. the lower bar is green. Than I can add chapters or choise "no menu" (both give the same errors).
Thank burning the files on my harddisc.

Total size of the project is without chapters, without menu:6,16 GB = 1 hour 44 minutes
Projects settings are :
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
(DVD-PAL), 16:9
dataspeed video video: Variabel (Max. 8000 kbps)
dataspeed audio 256 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

Settings from original files from photocamera
H.264 video
24 bits, 1280*720, 16:9
framespeed: 25.000 frames/s
dataspeed: variable bitspeed (max. 16568 kbps)

Hope that this gives a good overview

[PAL]

Are you saying that when doing Share Create Video File that the project is rendered but into two separate files.

Can you confirm that the drive used to save the video to is NTSC and not Fat32

I got indeed separate files. In total 5 files. 4 of them where exactly 3,99 GB and 1 of 2,78 GB =18,74 GB.
The strange thing is that I got sperate MPEG files instead of one. (they are numberd automaticly by the program)
And the total GB is much bigger than when I create a DVD folder.

I have 2 harddisc both in other format (NTSC/FAT32).

[lata]

Hi Pal

A Fat32 hard disc drive will limit any file to 4 Gb.

You describe having 4 files at 3.99Gb.

You said “I have 2 hard disc both in other format (NTSC/FAT32).

Are you saying that one of the hard drives is using Fat 32,

if yes then that is your problem in creating the split files.

How large are the hard dives and how much spare capacity has each drive?

[PAL]

Hi Lata,

Thanks for repling.

I have 2 hard disc indeed. 1 in NTSC (500 GB) and 1 in FAT 32 (2 TB).
The separate files were found at the FAT32 disc. So that is clear for me. And that's solved than.

Is there an explanation why I got the error message about the frame numbers (that was my initial question) ?
I have burned the DVD folder on the NTSC and FAT 32 disc, but the same error exists.

If this error can not be solved, I think I have to chose to create a larger file in HD quality and create a menu with chapters with another programme.
What would be the best quality to save the video file than - as I probably will loose some quality when I create a menu and burn it with another programme.

Best solution for me is to undertand why I got this error message about the frame numbers.
This project looks like all the other projects I created and they run always smootly.

Hope that you can still help me further

PAL

[canuck]

PAL,
the first thing you should do is convert that 2TB drive from FAT32 to NTFS (not NTSC) especially if you plan on using that drive for any kind of video work.

If your source files were always on the FAT32 drive that may have caused all your troubles. I don't know how VS uses a video that is spanned over several files. It may well "truncate" which could explain the frame problem.

[PAL]

I burned this night a large file (HDV, MPEG) on the NTFC harddisk. And the reslult is OK.
1 largefile in steady quality. I can than make a menu and chapters in another programme and can finnish the project.

Besides that I have no answer / don't understand the initial problem which existb by burning the total project as a DVD folder with chapters (and menu) on the NTFC or FAT32 harddisk.
There was no difference between the 2 harddiscks.
I realy want to understand how I can solve the initial problem.

any new suggestions?

[lata]

Hi

At least we have identified one of your problems in using Fat32 Hard Drive, as canuck says you should convert the Fat32 to NTFS, that will get rid of the 4 Gb limit in file sizes.

Video Studio uses two working folders one for the editing stage/capture folder (Via Preferences F6- opens the program preferences)
and one allocated from the burner module, if this is pointing to the Fat 32 you may still have issues.
Which drive do you have the operating system installed on?

Allocate the burner working folder to NTFS Drive
Share Create disc
F6 opens the Burner Preferences window
C:\Users\Trevor\Documents\Corel VideoStudio Pro\16.0\DMF_TEMP\BURN_TEMP

OK back to your original chapter points question.
1 /
The issue has been raised before but I do not think the cause/cure was found.
It is of course possible that the Fat32 issue caused the problem in splitting the video saved to the temporary BurnTemp folder

2/
I asked earlier if you hdd removed all green triangle chapter points from the timeline.
These can be added to the timeline even though there is no clips at that point.
These would be carried over to the burner module after adding your video files. I guess may confuse the chapter point settings?

3 / If you do Create Disc using NTFS drives only do you have a problem.

4 / Are you able to replicate the chapter points problem. ( "Some start frame numbers of chapters are greater than the number of frames")

And yes I would like to identify where the problem lies.
I will try more tests but to date I am not able to replicate the error message.