Hello all
This is my first post here.
I've decided to try and transfer a few VHS video tapes to DVD by taking up my brother's offer of using his Pioneer standalone DVD recorder. Got my first disk and tried some basic editing. I have VideoStudio 8 SE and DVD Movie Factory 3 SE. I got a message that the burned disk used Dolby digital which neither programme could cope with, it seems.
So, I did some research and found out about a plugin for VS8, acquired and installed that. OK so far.
Then I tried some basic editing and burning to a new disk. Everything seemed to go OK with no error messages, but when I went to play the DVD the sound synch was fine at the start, but by 10 minutes into the disk the lips were synching about 5 seconds out.
I am using a PIII [1000], 512 memory, close everything down because i realise editing video is very resource hungry.
Can anyone suggest what I have done wrong and how I can rectify this or is it a function of the product? Should I use something else? I also inserted some of the standard transition wipes into the edited MPG but they were disastrous - if they worked at all they were seconds late and only fleeting.
I am sure it is either user error or the wrong programme. All help gratefully appreciated as I have lots of VHS tapes to try and copy to disk.
BTW would it be easier if I were to use a programme that encodes the DVD disk back to a more easily edited format then re-format it? I've read on forums about programmes like VideoRedo etc. Are they mor esuitable in dealing with audio synch problems - and is it a common problem? I have to say that otherwise the video reproduction was excellent, but it isn't much fun if it is like a spaghetti western to watch.
Thanks all.
Newbie Query - audio synch problems
Moderator: Ken Berry
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Trevor Andrew
Hi Rabbit
First of all, I would advise you to upgrade to VS 9.
The cost of the AC 3 plug-in could have gone to that, VS 9 includes AC 3.
OK
There has been a lot of discussion regarding ‘out of sync audio’ (OOS) when using VS 8.
There are several reason why VS 8 suffered with OOS audio.
From my experience the following caused me problems.
Using VS 8 with the main update patch, and creating a video file with smart render.
Switch off smart render when making a video file.
VS9 does not seem to suffer from OOS.
Interestingly installing the VS 9 trial overwrites some shared VS files and this appeared to have cured the OOS in VS 8.
Try installing the VS 9 trial, you don’t have to use it, but you may well be tempted to upgrade especially if you have a lot of editing to do.
If it does fix your VS 8 OOS problem let this forum know.
Search this forum for (oos and frames) read this one.
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... oos+frames
Hope this Helps Trevor
First of all, I would advise you to upgrade to VS 9.
The cost of the AC 3 plug-in could have gone to that, VS 9 includes AC 3.
OK
There has been a lot of discussion regarding ‘out of sync audio’ (OOS) when using VS 8.
There are several reason why VS 8 suffered with OOS audio.
From my experience the following caused me problems.
Using VS 8 with the main update patch, and creating a video file with smart render.
Switch off smart render when making a video file.
VS9 does not seem to suffer from OOS.
Interestingly installing the VS 9 trial overwrites some shared VS files and this appeared to have cured the OOS in VS 8.
Try installing the VS 9 trial, you don’t have to use it, but you may well be tempted to upgrade especially if you have a lot of editing to do.
If it does fix your VS 8 OOS problem let this forum know.
Search this forum for (oos and frames) read this one.
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... oos+frames
Hope this Helps Trevor
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rabbit
Thanks Trevor
I really appreciate the prompt reply from across the world. I'm on the Sunshine Coast in Australia. BTW congrats on the olympics. Great stuff. I'm a great sports fan and love nothing more than beating you guys at anything, but I'm really pleased London won - if only cause the French will be even glummer now! Who wouldn't be happy? My wife and I are already planning a trip to the UK again in 2012 to see the Games. We spent some months there in 96. Loved it. Should be stupendous.
Anyway, back to the main game. I had a look at th eURL you posted. Is it the case that VS8 really can't cope with OOS, because if it is the case I am inclined to move on elsewhere. I think this is an OK programme, but I got it free with some hardware and don't really want to pay to get an upgrade unless absolutely necessary. I do find it VERY resource hungry on my PC - not to mention it makes me change my screentop settings every time I want to use to a setting where i need a magnifier to see the icons. Anyway, it is OK, if a bit clunky.
I am not really interested in the bells and whistles programmes like this have. I have a series of family VHS's I made with my Hi-8 Canon [now redundant it seems] and just want to burn them to DVD with some judiscious editing ie cut and paste, and maybe a few Title pages and transitions [ a bit like I've done with Photoshop Elements for my photos]. Not really interested in special effects etc. I may be looking at the wrong programme in VS8 SE in which case alternate suggestions are most welcome.
BTW We WILL win the Ashes again! LOL
I really appreciate the prompt reply from across the world. I'm on the Sunshine Coast in Australia. BTW congrats on the olympics. Great stuff. I'm a great sports fan and love nothing more than beating you guys at anything, but I'm really pleased London won - if only cause the French will be even glummer now! Who wouldn't be happy? My wife and I are already planning a trip to the UK again in 2012 to see the Games. We spent some months there in 96. Loved it. Should be stupendous.
Anyway, back to the main game. I had a look at th eURL you posted. Is it the case that VS8 really can't cope with OOS, because if it is the case I am inclined to move on elsewhere. I think this is an OK programme, but I got it free with some hardware and don't really want to pay to get an upgrade unless absolutely necessary. I do find it VERY resource hungry on my PC - not to mention it makes me change my screentop settings every time I want to use to a setting where i need a magnifier to see the icons. Anyway, it is OK, if a bit clunky.
I am not really interested in the bells and whistles programmes like this have. I have a series of family VHS's I made with my Hi-8 Canon [now redundant it seems] and just want to burn them to DVD with some judiscious editing ie cut and paste, and maybe a few Title pages and transitions [ a bit like I've done with Photoshop Elements for my photos]. Not really interested in special effects etc. I may be looking at the wrong programme in VS8 SE in which case alternate suggestions are most welcome.
BTW We WILL win the Ashes again! LOL
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Trevor Andrew
Vs 8 did have a OOS problem.trevor andrew wrote:Hi Rabbit
Interestingly installing the VS 9 trial overwrites some shared VS files and this appeared to have cured the OOS in VS 8.
Try installing the VS 9 trial, you don’t have to use it,
Hope this Helps Trevor
Video studio is probably the most suited to your needs.
If installing the trial version does cure the oos problem, then you have little to loose.(its free)
Otherwise do not use smart render when creating a video file.
All the Best
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rabbit
I have done quite a bit of research since my last post. While this post will probably be removed from this forum for recommending other products, here goes..........
Netiher Movie Factory nor Video Studio are really designed to edit mpeg files properly. Nor are programmes like Adobe Premiere Elements. If you want to edit and author mpg files burned by a standalone DVD Recorder, you need to use an MPEG edit programme. I tried all manner of permutations and combinations with UMF and UVS8 to no avail - audio sync problems. From reading these forums, I am obviously not the only one!
Here is how I have managed to transfer my VHS tapes to disk [via a Pioneer DVD Recorder], then edit them heavily, re-author and burn back to disk successfully. It should satisfy 99% of people.
NO audio sync problems.
NO re-encoding from mpg to another format so much, much faster than using UMF
AND ...........it is easy and it works
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1. drag and drop VOB files from burned disk to a HD folder [you probably only need to use DVD Decryptor if you are trying to re-author encrypted DVD's]
2. use Womble MPEG Video Wizard [free trial at http://www.womble.com/products ] to edit the VOB files - trim, cut and paste, re-arrange clips, add transitions etc. It creates an mpg file
3. use TMPGEnc DVD Author [free trial at http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tda.html ] to author the mpeg, add title, menus, chapters etc. It converts mpg to dvd files [VOB etc] and has a built in burner to burn to DVD +- R/RW.
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I have created a number of disks over the past few days, editing heavily to make it as demanding as possible on the two programmes I used. All have been perfect with NO audio/video sync problems whatsoever. Further, I find the transitions available in Womble quite professional and an adequate range of menus etc in TMPGEnc to satisfy all but the very fussy. Bear in mind I am a total amateur at this so I took the time to read both manuals thoroughly and also researched heavilyon the net; all in all it didn't take a great deal of time to create professional looking DVD's.
For those wanting to convert home videos, like me, I would give this combination 10/10.
Hope this is of some help to others.
Netiher Movie Factory nor Video Studio are really designed to edit mpeg files properly. Nor are programmes like Adobe Premiere Elements. If you want to edit and author mpg files burned by a standalone DVD Recorder, you need to use an MPEG edit programme. I tried all manner of permutations and combinations with UMF and UVS8 to no avail - audio sync problems. From reading these forums, I am obviously not the only one!
Here is how I have managed to transfer my VHS tapes to disk [via a Pioneer DVD Recorder], then edit them heavily, re-author and burn back to disk successfully. It should satisfy 99% of people.
NO audio sync problems.
NO re-encoding from mpg to another format so much, much faster than using UMF
AND ...........it is easy and it works
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1. drag and drop VOB files from burned disk to a HD folder [you probably only need to use DVD Decryptor if you are trying to re-author encrypted DVD's]
2. use Womble MPEG Video Wizard [free trial at http://www.womble.com/products ] to edit the VOB files - trim, cut and paste, re-arrange clips, add transitions etc. It creates an mpg file
3. use TMPGEnc DVD Author [free trial at http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tda.html ] to author the mpeg, add title, menus, chapters etc. It converts mpg to dvd files [VOB etc] and has a built in burner to burn to DVD +- R/RW.
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I have created a number of disks over the past few days, editing heavily to make it as demanding as possible on the two programmes I used. All have been perfect with NO audio/video sync problems whatsoever. Further, I find the transitions available in Womble quite professional and an adequate range of menus etc in TMPGEnc to satisfy all but the very fussy. Bear in mind I am a total amateur at this so I took the time to read both manuals thoroughly and also researched heavilyon the net; all in all it didn't take a great deal of time to create professional looking DVD's.
For those wanting to convert home videos, like me, I would give this combination 10/10.
Hope this is of some help to others.
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THoff
UVS is designed to edit MPEG files, and did this very well in V8.0. Somewhere after the initial release, a bug was introduced in V8.01 and/or one of the Burning Engine updates, and the OOS problem appeared. Often, a project output to a VIDEO_TS folder would be fine if played back using a DVD player program, but the same project output to a DVD would not. Personally I suspect that the problem occurs during the multiplexing stage.
Regardless, the fact that the original V8.0 and now V9.0 can create projects without the audio sync problem seems to indicate that UVS is a viable program for editing MPEG files and burning DVDs.
Regardless, the fact that the original V8.0 and now V9.0 can create projects without the audio sync problem seems to indicate that UVS is a viable program for editing MPEG files and burning DVDs.
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Trevor Andrew
I agree with THoff
There is a oos problem when using VS 8, this is not a secret.
But a work-round has been found (at least it works for me) thanks to the users or this forum. (not ulead I may add).
In my case I don’t use smart render when using VS 8.
I am now using VS 9 which at the moment seems to be working just fine.
Capturing and editing in Mpeg does not cause me any problems.
The quality being very good.
Recently I have captured VHS to Mpeg edited and burner to Dvd all in VS. NO problems.
I would not like to compare it with Avi work as I see no difference in quality.
Each to his own.
I like Video Studio and find it an easy program to manage.
There is a oos problem when using VS 8, this is not a secret.
But a work-round has been found (at least it works for me) thanks to the users or this forum. (not ulead I may add).
In my case I don’t use smart render when using VS 8.
I am now using VS 9 which at the moment seems to be working just fine.
Capturing and editing in Mpeg does not cause me any problems.
The quality being very good.
Recently I have captured VHS to Mpeg edited and burner to Dvd all in VS. NO problems.
I would not like to compare it with Avi work as I see no difference in quality.
Each to his own.
I like Video Studio and find it an easy program to manage.
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rabbit
Hi Guys
Just a few points. I'm not trying to upset anyone just trying to help us all arrive at the same destination.
THoff said
"UVS is designed to edit MPEG files, and did this very well in V8.0. Somewhere after the initial release, a bug was introduced in V8.01 and/or one of the Burning Engine updates, and the OOS problem appeared."
Umm. That's my main point actually - it DOESN'T work. The whys and wherefores aren't at all relevant.
Trevor agrees with THoff that VS is designed to edit mpeg. Now as I have said before on this post, I am no expert on editing. These guys may well be. All I know is that I sourced information from a number of other specialist forums, not just this one, on video editing, and that is contary to what I was told - and indeed what I have read elsewhere. It is horses for courses.
I agree VS and MF are very easy to use and may well be ideal for many uses. What I am saying - and this is borne out by what I read everywhere, including on this forum, and including Trevor and THoff's comments - "it doesn't work too well on mpeg".
Apart from that fairly important aspect, other advantages of the method I outlined using Womble and TNPGEnc are:
1. no need to rip files - as long as the DVD source is not encrypted, you just drag and drop VOB files on to your HD, takes a few minutes - result: saves time
2 neither programme needs to re-encode the video. You edit the VOB easily, convert it to mpeg in a few minutes, then author it and burn it. Unlike programmes like Ulead or Adobe where the re-encoding process is longer than the movie itself - result: saves time
3. the process I outlined works perfectly. And that's the whole point. I don't have to worry about OOS bugs.
Anyway, I'm sorry if I appear a bit terse. I really am appreciative of the assistance I received here and elsewhere. I just don't understand why someone would say I am wrong then present facts endorsing precisely what I just said!
Just a few points. I'm not trying to upset anyone just trying to help us all arrive at the same destination.
THoff said
"UVS is designed to edit MPEG files, and did this very well in V8.0. Somewhere after the initial release, a bug was introduced in V8.01 and/or one of the Burning Engine updates, and the OOS problem appeared."
Umm. That's my main point actually - it DOESN'T work. The whys and wherefores aren't at all relevant.
Trevor agrees with THoff that VS is designed to edit mpeg. Now as I have said before on this post, I am no expert on editing. These guys may well be. All I know is that I sourced information from a number of other specialist forums, not just this one, on video editing, and that is contary to what I was told - and indeed what I have read elsewhere. It is horses for courses.
I agree VS and MF are very easy to use and may well be ideal for many uses. What I am saying - and this is borne out by what I read everywhere, including on this forum, and including Trevor and THoff's comments - "it doesn't work too well on mpeg".
Apart from that fairly important aspect, other advantages of the method I outlined using Womble and TNPGEnc are:
1. no need to rip files - as long as the DVD source is not encrypted, you just drag and drop VOB files on to your HD, takes a few minutes - result: saves time
2 neither programme needs to re-encode the video. You edit the VOB easily, convert it to mpeg in a few minutes, then author it and burn it. Unlike programmes like Ulead or Adobe where the re-encoding process is longer than the movie itself - result: saves time
3. the process I outlined works perfectly. And that's the whole point. I don't have to worry about OOS bugs.
Anyway, I'm sorry if I appear a bit terse. I really am appreciative of the assistance I received here and elsewhere. I just don't understand why someone would say I am wrong then present facts endorsing precisely what I just said!
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rabbit, I read your posts with great interest. For the past year and a half I have been taking MPEG files with AC-3 audio off my DVD cam and loading them into VS8. I have then been cutting the clips to pieces, adding transitions, using effects adding titles, multi trimming, adding overlays, creating all sorts of complications with multiple sound tracks using wav, AC-3, MP3 files all mixed together and then rendering to a video file and burning a DVD. Did I mention adding slideshow sections? Not once have I had an oos problem when I have observed the recommended procedure mentioned in the sticky at the top of the board.
Anyway, thanks to your post I now know all of that, of course, was impossible because VS8/9 is not an MPEG editor. I shall trash it from my computer immediately.
Anyway, thanks to your post I now know all of that, of course, was impossible because VS8/9 is not an MPEG editor. I shall trash it from my computer immediately.
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rabbit
Hey lance, no need to get your panties in a knot and whack me with your handbag.
If it works for you - that's fine. But if you read this post - and scores of others - you will see that these products don't do for everyone what they claim to. All I have said is that the 2 x programmes I mentioned actually do.
If it works for you - that's fine. But if you read this post - and scores of others - you will see that these products don't do for everyone what they claim to. All I have said is that the 2 x programmes I mentioned actually do.