Dear all,
Could someone please help me with this very frustrating issue.
I use the cloning tool quite extensively between images but have found in photoimpact v10, then when releasing the mouse button, for example to change the brush attributes, the lock-point on the image from which I am cloning becomes unlocks and shifts. This means that when I want to resume cloning, the cloned image is askew (because the point-of-origin on the other image has shifted).
Have e-mailed Ulead and they came back (after several days!!) with the bizarre response that this is normal - implying that you can not change attributes mid-clone because of the "moving" point of origin. Surely this can't be right?
Thank you in anticipation.
Cloning
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keenart
If I am correct in understanding your statement, what Ulead is suggesting is correct.
The Clone Tool has two distinct actions; I will call them “In Place Cloning” and “Moving Cloning.”
In Place Cloning:
To clone small areas I use the Mouse with individual Mouse clicks to repair the area of destination. The Mouse will continue to Clone from the Original Lock Point which will remain in place, as I move the Mouse to different locations and click away.
Moving Cloning:
When I move the Mouse with Key down, the Mouse will then drag the Lock Point Origin along with the Mouse. This is a normal feature that allows you to Clone in large increments, or long strips. i.e. If you had a skewed end of picture and needed to even-up the edge of the image; setting the Lock Point or Origin just below the edge of the image would allow you to Clone a long strip, that would more closely match the edge of the image. I am sure you can understand the advantage of this feature
The Clone Tool has two distinct actions; I will call them “In Place Cloning” and “Moving Cloning.”
In Place Cloning:
To clone small areas I use the Mouse with individual Mouse clicks to repair the area of destination. The Mouse will continue to Clone from the Original Lock Point which will remain in place, as I move the Mouse to different locations and click away.
Moving Cloning:
When I move the Mouse with Key down, the Mouse will then drag the Lock Point Origin along with the Mouse. This is a normal feature that allows you to Clone in large increments, or long strips. i.e. If you had a skewed end of picture and needed to even-up the edge of the image; setting the Lock Point or Origin just below the edge of the image would allow you to Clone a long strip, that would more closely match the edge of the image. I am sure you can understand the advantage of this feature
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Redfazer
Keenart
Thank you for your reply which I do understand. However, I can't replicate what you suggest.
For example:
I usually use the clone airbrush so with the mouse button down, I spray away. However, as soon as I release the mouse button the Original Lock point then becomes unlocked and presumably moves with the mouse. That is, I can not replicate what you say by clicking on and off and moving the mouse at the same time without the Lock point moving (as soon as I release the mouse button). I am using version 10 and am cloning from another (seperate) image if that makes a difference.
Thank you for your reply which I do understand. However, I can't replicate what you suggest.
For example:
I usually use the clone airbrush so with the mouse button down, I spray away. However, as soon as I release the mouse button the Original Lock point then becomes unlocked and presumably moves with the mouse. That is, I can not replicate what you say by clicking on and off and moving the mouse at the same time without the Lock point moving (as soon as I release the mouse button). I am using version 10 and am cloning from another (seperate) image if that makes a difference.
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keenart
First I would ask if you have the Full CD version, the Download Version, or the Trial Version. Only the trial version is short of features and uses limited components, which means you should have the features I mentioned in the previous post.
I might have confused you with my ultra-short explanation. Let me give more details.
In Place Cloning:
Using any of the Clone Tools, you can spot paint without the Lock Point of Origin moving. You do this by spraying a dot in place without moving the Mouse. You then move to another area, moving the Mouse without the Key held down and spray another dot. The Lock Point of Origin will still be in the Original location until you manually change it. In other words, as long as you do not "move" the Mouse with key held down while painting, the Original Lock Point will not change.
If you hold down the Mouse Key, and spray while moving away from the Original sprayed location, the Lock Point of Origin will remain in the Original Location for the “first” brush stroke, and until the end of that brush stroke.
However, when you release the Mouse Key, the Original Lock Point location will now have moved. The New Lock Point will be in a relationship, similar to the first created brush stoke, now away from the last Point of Spray.
In otherwords, if you set the Shift key to Lock Position away from the point to spray, at a 45 degree angle, 1 inch in distance, at Mouse location 400 x 400 pixels on the viewing screen. You then sprayed a brush stroke 1 inch long in a Horizontal line that stopped at 800 x 400 pixels. The Old Lock Point has now moved from 1 inch away from 400 pixels to 1 inch away from 800 pixels.
What you just experienced is the Moving Cloning feature. Both of these features are very important in the way you clone and repair photos. The first for spot work and touch-up where the Lock Point needs to remain in one location, the last for cloning large areas where the Lock Point needs to move in proximity with the brush stroke, using multiple brush strokes.
If you do not have these features functional then I would suggest you have a disabled copy of PI or a bad installation, they are there and they should be working.
I might have confused you with my ultra-short explanation. Let me give more details.
In Place Cloning:
Using any of the Clone Tools, you can spot paint without the Lock Point of Origin moving. You do this by spraying a dot in place without moving the Mouse. You then move to another area, moving the Mouse without the Key held down and spray another dot. The Lock Point of Origin will still be in the Original location until you manually change it. In other words, as long as you do not "move" the Mouse with key held down while painting, the Original Lock Point will not change.
If you hold down the Mouse Key, and spray while moving away from the Original sprayed location, the Lock Point of Origin will remain in the Original Location for the “first” brush stroke, and until the end of that brush stroke.
However, when you release the Mouse Key, the Original Lock Point location will now have moved. The New Lock Point will be in a relationship, similar to the first created brush stoke, now away from the last Point of Spray.
In otherwords, if you set the Shift key to Lock Position away from the point to spray, at a 45 degree angle, 1 inch in distance, at Mouse location 400 x 400 pixels on the viewing screen. You then sprayed a brush stroke 1 inch long in a Horizontal line that stopped at 800 x 400 pixels. The Old Lock Point has now moved from 1 inch away from 400 pixels to 1 inch away from 800 pixels.
What you just experienced is the Moving Cloning feature. Both of these features are very important in the way you clone and repair photos. The first for spot work and touch-up where the Lock Point needs to remain in one location, the last for cloning large areas where the Lock Point needs to move in proximity with the brush stroke, using multiple brush strokes.
If you do not have these features functional then I would suggest you have a disabled copy of PI or a bad installation, they are there and they should be working.
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Redfazer
Keenart
Thank you for your time over this matter.
I do understand what you are explaining and have tried what you suggest (I'm using the purchased downloaded version by the way).
Unfortunately it does'nt help with my issue in that I'm used to cloning starting with a particular setting - nil transparencyand hard edge, then to finish off the cloned image using different attributes - high transparency and soft edge (having had to release the mouse button and moving it to the toolbar) to dissolve the cloned image onto the background photo. As you say in your response, by doing this, the next time I spray or such like, I'll be starting from the original lock-point again regardless where on the image (to be cloned upon) the airbrush is.
I must say this is very unusual (and perhaps questionable??) because I've used quite a few different editing suites including previous u-lead products and I have never experienced this type of process whereby you can't change the attributes mid-clone whithout losing the continuity (of position) of the cloning itself. Oh well!
Thanks again for your response.
Thank you for your time over this matter.
I do understand what you are explaining and have tried what you suggest (I'm using the purchased downloaded version by the way).
Unfortunately it does'nt help with my issue in that I'm used to cloning starting with a particular setting - nil transparencyand hard edge, then to finish off the cloned image using different attributes - high transparency and soft edge (having had to release the mouse button and moving it to the toolbar) to dissolve the cloned image onto the background photo. As you say in your response, by doing this, the next time I spray or such like, I'll be starting from the original lock-point again regardless where on the image (to be cloned upon) the airbrush is.
I must say this is very unusual (and perhaps questionable??) because I've used quite a few different editing suites including previous u-lead products and I have never experienced this type of process whereby you can't change the attributes mid-clone whithout losing the continuity (of position) of the cloning itself. Oh well!
Thanks again for your response.
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VT Photog
When I started using PI 10, I had some difficulties with cloning as well. I often clone between images for art effects, etc. In my old PI 4.2, the default for cloning was the 'relative' mode, which allows you to release the mouse button and change attributes and continue on without resetting origin point. In PI 10, the default is the 'absolute' mode, which goes back to the start point when you release mouse. These options can be found in the little boxes in the tool attributes menu.
Hope this solves your problem.
brian
Hope this solves your problem.
brian
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keenart
Okay, so what Brian the Brain is says is:
Select the Clone tool, on the Command Menu select Workspace, Tool Settings, and the Tool Settings – Brush Dialog Box will appear. On the Tab named Options at the bottom of the Dialog Box there are Four Button Icons, from left to right they, as each is selected, represent the following:
Apply Method
Select the mode to apply paint. Always is the default method.
Painting Method
Click to draw freehand, in a straight line, or in a series of connected lines.
Alignment
Select the cloning alignment:
Absolute Data can be cloned anywhere on the image, regardless of the original position.
Frame Data will be cloned in the same position on the current frame as on the original image. This option cannot be used when cloning onto the same image.
Relative Data will be cloned relative to the first mouse click.
Transparency
Determines the strength of the effect. The higher the value, the greater the transparency of the paint/stamp, showing more of the base image.
The previous is not in the Manual and can only be found in the Online Help under Tool Settings - Brush.
Select the Clone tool, on the Command Menu select Workspace, Tool Settings, and the Tool Settings – Brush Dialog Box will appear. On the Tab named Options at the bottom of the Dialog Box there are Four Button Icons, from left to right they, as each is selected, represent the following:
Apply Method
Select the mode to apply paint. Always is the default method.
Painting Method
Click to draw freehand, in a straight line, or in a series of connected lines.
Alignment
Select the cloning alignment:
Absolute Data can be cloned anywhere on the image, regardless of the original position.
Frame Data will be cloned in the same position on the current frame as on the original image. This option cannot be used when cloning onto the same image.
Relative Data will be cloned relative to the first mouse click.
Transparency
Determines the strength of the effect. The higher the value, the greater the transparency of the paint/stamp, showing more of the base image.
The previous is not in the Manual and can only be found in the Online Help under Tool Settings - Brush.
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Redfazer