PI 10 stripping EXIF data - Help
PI 10 stripping EXIF data - Help
For some reason it appears PI 10 is stripping the EXIF data when I open a file. The data is there in Explorer 8.5 and PS CS2 but if I open in PI 10 it is not there. If I save the file with PI 10 then it is no longer there in other programs. It seems my case is more or less the only one. Any one got any ideas???
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keenart
PI 10 should not strip the EXIF data, it just ignores it, unless you try to modify the Image or save it in a different format, then it will strip the data, as most graphic programs will do. To view the EXIF data when you open a file in PI 10, do this:
Open the Image, but do not alter it in anyway. On the Command Menu Item select File, on the file Menu Item Dialog List select Image Properties. On the Image Properties Dialog Box, select the button named File Info, In the Properties Dialog Box, select the tab named Camera Information (EXIF), under the Dialog Box Titled Attributes, you will find your EXIF data listed there. The Amount of EXIT Data will vary depending on the brand and model of the camera.
Normally if you save the image using PI 10 in the original format it was created, PI WILL NOT dump the EXIF info. I have even used the Express Fix and other features, saved the file in the original file format and the EXIF data is still there. i.e. if the Cam saves in *.jpg and you save the file using PI 10 to a new *.jpg no data loss, but should you convert to a different data type or save the cam file in *.bmp, the data is dumped. I have an Olympus C-8080.
If you can not read the EXIF data when opening a Cam file in PI 10 then PI does not support that type of Cam file. In which case you should use the software that came with the Cam.
Open the Image, but do not alter it in anyway. On the Command Menu Item select File, on the file Menu Item Dialog List select Image Properties. On the Image Properties Dialog Box, select the button named File Info, In the Properties Dialog Box, select the tab named Camera Information (EXIF), under the Dialog Box Titled Attributes, you will find your EXIF data listed there. The Amount of EXIT Data will vary depending on the brand and model of the camera.
Normally if you save the image using PI 10 in the original format it was created, PI WILL NOT dump the EXIF info. I have even used the Express Fix and other features, saved the file in the original file format and the EXIF data is still there. i.e. if the Cam saves in *.jpg and you save the file using PI 10 to a new *.jpg no data loss, but should you convert to a different data type or save the cam file in *.bmp, the data is dumped. I have an Olympus C-8080.
If you can not read the EXIF data when opening a Cam file in PI 10 then PI does not support that type of Cam file. In which case you should use the software that came with the Cam.
The EXIF data simply is not there!
The EXIF data is not there. PI XL works fine so what was changed in PI 10? And, it makes no difference which camera is used.
I can open and save without any changes and the EXIF is gone. Of course, since it could not be seen right after opening that is no big surprise.
Talking JPG's now: I thought "save for web" was suppose to strip the EXIF to reduce file size (at least, the help file says that). This means to me that the EXIF should otherwise be there unless I've done some funny things. If I look at file sizes, there is no difference so obviously the EXIF is already stripped.
Is there any remote possibility that once one has used "save for web" that the program gets stuck there?
I'm about to do a reinstall but not looking forward to it.
I can open and save without any changes and the EXIF is gone. Of course, since it could not be seen right after opening that is no big surprise.
Talking JPG's now: I thought "save for web" was suppose to strip the EXIF to reduce file size (at least, the help file says that). This means to me that the EXIF should otherwise be there unless I've done some funny things. If I look at file sizes, there is no difference so obviously the EXIF is already stripped.
Is there any remote possibility that once one has used "save for web" that the program gets stuck there?
I'm about to do a reinstall but not looking forward to it.
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keenart
I can’t imagine why PI would strip the EXIF upon opening without saving to a different Data format. Unless PI can’t open you Cam files in tact because your Cam may use a different compression scheme, even if jpg. There are I believe four different jpg compression schemes and sometimes not all graphics software will support all of those compression schemes.
I can’t tell if there was a change to individual Cam file formats, I do know that some extra Cam file formats were added to read new cam files. But other than that, is seems to be the same on my systems. I have ME with XL, and PI 10 with WIN XP. All of my cameras save in jpg and RAW, and I have had no trouble with opening any file in either PI software.
Save for WEB is a different jpg format, than the one I spoke of before. Your Cam will, if it creates jpgs, use standard compression, based on sRGB, usually in 24 or 32 bit color. Save for Web will strip the EXIF info, because it is saving in 256 colors or less, usually at a resolution of 72 dpi, big difference. This means, you would be converting to a different Data format if you used the Save for WEB feature. If I am to Save to the WEB, I always make a duplicate of the image file, leave the original untouched. With the original unchanged, no problems if I need the EXIF info for later printing.
Ordinarily, if you open a jpg Cam file and then Save, or do a Save As, to the file format jpg, using the Command Menu, File, Save Dialog Box, your image should remain in the same format as the original, therefore all EXIF info will remain, but not the Save to Web feature, as you mentioned.
Remember EXIF data adds to file size. If the file size for your image, the one you opened in PI, has remained unchanged from the original, then the EXIF Data should still be there. PI can't strip EXIF Data without changing the file size.
Since PSD can open your images with EXIF Data in tact, I would assume it is time for a “Dreaded” reinstall of PI.
I can’t tell if there was a change to individual Cam file formats, I do know that some extra Cam file formats were added to read new cam files. But other than that, is seems to be the same on my systems. I have ME with XL, and PI 10 with WIN XP. All of my cameras save in jpg and RAW, and I have had no trouble with opening any file in either PI software.
Save for WEB is a different jpg format, than the one I spoke of before. Your Cam will, if it creates jpgs, use standard compression, based on sRGB, usually in 24 or 32 bit color. Save for Web will strip the EXIF info, because it is saving in 256 colors or less, usually at a resolution of 72 dpi, big difference. This means, you would be converting to a different Data format if you used the Save for WEB feature. If I am to Save to the WEB, I always make a duplicate of the image file, leave the original untouched. With the original unchanged, no problems if I need the EXIF info for later printing.
Ordinarily, if you open a jpg Cam file and then Save, or do a Save As, to the file format jpg, using the Command Menu, File, Save Dialog Box, your image should remain in the same format as the original, therefore all EXIF info will remain, but not the Save to Web feature, as you mentioned.
Remember EXIF data adds to file size. If the file size for your image, the one you opened in PI, has remained unchanged from the original, then the EXIF Data should still be there. PI can't strip EXIF Data without changing the file size.
Since PSD can open your images with EXIF Data in tact, I would assume it is time for a “Dreaded” reinstall of PI.
Thanks for sticking with me on this, Keenart!
You wrote:
Remember EXIF data adds to file size. If the file size for your image, the one you opened in PI, has remained unchanged from the original, then the EXIF Data should still be there. PI can't strip EXIF Data without changing the file size.
I guess I did not make myself clear here: If I open a virgin file and go to save, I look at the what the file size will be. Then I cancel the save and go to "save for web" and again look at what the file is going to be. Both are exactly the same. This seems to tell me the EXIF is already gone.
BTW, I NEVER overwrite an original file. (at least not intentionally)
My present camera is a Sony 828. I also have many Sony 717 files and some Panasonic FZ20 files and have tried Canon and Nikon files. None have the EXIF data even right after opening them. There is NO "camera info" /"EXIF" tab there.
My PI 10 is a dowloaded update version and is exactly 1 month old and I have the patch installed.
I think I will try to install it on my backup system and see what happens. If it works there, then I will try a reinstall on this machine.
Perhaps I should wait for a dark of the moon and get a little voo doo chicken blood spattered around before going any further.
Remember EXIF data adds to file size. If the file size for your image, the one you opened in PI, has remained unchanged from the original, then the EXIF Data should still be there. PI can't strip EXIF Data without changing the file size.
I guess I did not make myself clear here: If I open a virgin file and go to save, I look at the what the file size will be. Then I cancel the save and go to "save for web" and again look at what the file is going to be. Both are exactly the same. This seems to tell me the EXIF is already gone.
BTW, I NEVER overwrite an original file. (at least not intentionally)
My present camera is a Sony 828. I also have many Sony 717 files and some Panasonic FZ20 files and have tried Canon and Nikon files. None have the EXIF data even right after opening them. There is NO "camera info" /"EXIF" tab there.
My PI 10 is a dowloaded update version and is exactly 1 month old and I have the patch installed.
I think I will try to install it on my backup system and see what happens. If it works there, then I will try a reinstall on this machine.
Perhaps I should wait for a dark of the moon and get a little voo doo chicken blood spattered around before going any further.
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keenart
When you use the Save to WEB feature, and the Dialog ox displays it will give you the original file size, and next to that the possible file size after compression. As I stated before, that is completely different than saving a duplicate of the original, not using the Save to WEB feature.
Instead, save the file using the Save Dialog Box, not the Save to WEB. The reason is because the regular Save option will save the jpg in the native format but will not recompress, therefore the EXIF is not dumped because there is no change in file size. Because of this feature, which means I can add to the file, but not subtract, with a duplicate make all kinds of adjustments and apply all kinds of effects and save the file using the Save option and all of the EXIF DATA is retained, since I have not changed Data type or compressed the file.
If you just open the original image and then go to File, Image Properties. On the Image Properties Dialog Box, select the button named File Info, In the Properties Dialog Box, select the tab named Camera Information (EXIF), under the Dialog Box Titled Attributes, you will find your EXIF data listed there. If you don’t have the tab named Camera Information, it may be because you have the downloaded version as opposed to the CD.
All my CD versions Full and Upgrades, have the tab for the Camera Information.
Instead, save the file using the Save Dialog Box, not the Save to WEB. The reason is because the regular Save option will save the jpg in the native format but will not recompress, therefore the EXIF is not dumped because there is no change in file size. Because of this feature, which means I can add to the file, but not subtract, with a duplicate make all kinds of adjustments and apply all kinds of effects and save the file using the Save option and all of the EXIF DATA is retained, since I have not changed Data type or compressed the file.
If you just open the original image and then go to File, Image Properties. On the Image Properties Dialog Box, select the button named File Info, In the Properties Dialog Box, select the tab named Camera Information (EXIF), under the Dialog Box Titled Attributes, you will find your EXIF data listed there. If you don’t have the tab named Camera Information, it may be because you have the downloaded version as opposed to the CD.
All my CD versions Full and Upgrades, have the tab for the Camera Information.
We are talking apples and oranges...
[quote="keenart"]When you use the Save to WEB feature, and the Dialog ox displays it will give you the original file size, and next to that the possible file size after compression. As I stated before, that is completely different than saving a duplicate of the original, not using the Save to WEB feature.
Yes, I know very well how it works. What I said was I open a virgin file, do nothing to it and then make like I am going to save it under a new name, and then look at what size the file is going to be. At that point I abort the save and then act like I am going to save for web and look at the file size. Both are exactly the same; i.e., obviously no EXIF data in either one.
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you also wrote:
If you just open the original image and then go to File, Image Properties. On the Image Properties Dialog Box, select the button named File Info, In the Properties Dialog Box, select the tab named Camera Information (EXIF), under the Dialog Box Titled Attributes, you will find your EXIF data listed there. If you don’t have the tab named Camera Information, it may be because you have the downloaded version as opposed to the CD.
Like I said, it is not there. No tab for camera/EXIF info. PI XL has it with no sweat!
BTW, I would have loved to have bought the boxed version but have you ever tried to get something sent to an APO address? Good luck! Guess it is part of being nice to the militay folks overseas.
Yes, I know very well how it works. What I said was I open a virgin file, do nothing to it and then make like I am going to save it under a new name, and then look at what size the file is going to be. At that point I abort the save and then act like I am going to save for web and look at the file size. Both are exactly the same; i.e., obviously no EXIF data in either one.
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you also wrote:
If you just open the original image and then go to File, Image Properties. On the Image Properties Dialog Box, select the button named File Info, In the Properties Dialog Box, select the tab named Camera Information (EXIF), under the Dialog Box Titled Attributes, you will find your EXIF data listed there. If you don’t have the tab named Camera Information, it may be because you have the downloaded version as opposed to the CD.
Like I said, it is not there. No tab for camera/EXIF info. PI XL has it with no sweat!
BTW, I would have loved to have bought the boxed version but have you ever tried to get something sent to an APO address? Good luck! Guess it is part of being nice to the militay folks overseas.
You ain't goin' believe this ......
but I installed it on my backup system and it works just fine. The EXIF data is there in all it's glory.
How in the world can this be??
Now I'm going to try a reinstall on this machine and see what happens (after saying the magic incantations).
How in the world can this be??
Now I'm going to try a reinstall on this machine and see what happens (after saying the magic incantations).
Obviously I got the wrong chickens!
I uninstalled PI 10 and reinstalled but it is stíll the same. It seems there is a file or tag somewhere that did not get removed with the uninstall. Computers; I love 'em!!keenart wrote:You better add a few chickens and a can of tomato soup just to be sure!! Airborne!!
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keenart
I had to reinstall about 6 times before I got PI to finally work. I don’t know why, this is what I did that finally got things going in the right direction.
I uninstalled everything related to PI, and also deleted the two Ulead System folders, one in the User (your name) Profile and another in Program Files. I then deleted the entire Recycle bin; defragged the drive, rebooted to Safe Mode and Installed PI. It works fine now, Go Figure. I have even uninstalled and reinstall just to see the reaction, and it works fine, with a few minor glitches, which I have never been able to get rid of.
I scoured Microsoft for answers and found a list of more than a thousand programs that now do not work properly with SP 2. So I would suppose, until Microsoft and Ulead get settled, the gremlins are going to be at work.
GrandPa used to say, ”If you piss in the wind the problem comes back in another form!” Looks like we are all wet!
A friend from Haiti sent me a charm he calls “You Little Devil You!,” to hang over my computer. I am waiting for it to take effect. http://home.fuse.net/str/LittleDevil.jpg
I uninstalled everything related to PI, and also deleted the two Ulead System folders, one in the User (your name) Profile and another in Program Files. I then deleted the entire Recycle bin; defragged the drive, rebooted to Safe Mode and Installed PI. It works fine now, Go Figure. I have even uninstalled and reinstall just to see the reaction, and it works fine, with a few minor glitches, which I have never been able to get rid of.
I scoured Microsoft for answers and found a list of more than a thousand programs that now do not work properly with SP 2. So I would suppose, until Microsoft and Ulead get settled, the gremlins are going to be at work.
GrandPa used to say, ”If you piss in the wind the problem comes back in another form!” Looks like we are all wet!
A friend from Haiti sent me a charm he calls “You Little Devil You!,” to hang over my computer. I am waiting for it to take effect. http://home.fuse.net/str/LittleDevil.jpg
Could I borrow that charm?
I have given up for the time being. If I ever get more time than I know what to do with, I'll have another go at it. As it is now, I'll look at the EXIF with Explorer 8.5 or PS CS2. There are times I that I wonder why I upgraded from XL.
At any rate, Keenart, thanks for your efforts. I appreciate it!
At any rate, Keenart, thanks for your efforts. I appreciate it!
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2log
Different image formats have different EXIF structures as well. This doesn't mean that the EXIF info should not be detected by PhotoImpact though. I work with PhotoImpact a lot, using PIXL and even version 10. And the EXIF info is retained as long as I don't convert the data type (from RGB to Grayscale, 256 color, etc.) - no matter what editing I do. keenart was correct in saying that PhotoImpact doesn't strip a picture file of the EXIF. Yours just doesn't see it for some reason.
thebusch, it would be correct to assume that someting in your computer is causing this problem. It's a mystery to me as well but sometimes all it really takes to fix a problem is reinstalling the software over and over. And you think computers are all about 1s and 0s... when there are a lot of things we can't explain...hehe
The best thing to do in your situation is to clean the Windows temp folders before you reinstall. It is where every program extracts installer files before installing the software itself. So if by any chance, in your prior installation, there was a corrupt file there, the new installer temp files might not be able to overwrite that corrupt file. Thus the problem will still be there even after you reinstall PI.
thebusch, it would be correct to assume that someting in your computer is causing this problem. It's a mystery to me as well but sometimes all it really takes to fix a problem is reinstalling the software over and over. And you think computers are all about 1s and 0s... when there are a lot of things we can't explain...hehe
The best thing to do in your situation is to clean the Windows temp folders before you reinstall. It is where every program extracts installer files before installing the software itself. So if by any chance, in your prior installation, there was a corrupt file there, the new installer temp files might not be able to overwrite that corrupt file. Thus the problem will still be there even after you reinstall PI.
It is actually stripping the EXIF data.
If I simply open a virgin file and save it without doing anything to it, the EXIF is gone. PS CS2 and Explorer 8.5 can not see any EXIF which they could in the orginal file. That would indicate to me that it is in fact stripping the EXIF.
