Printing borderless?

[rpenmanparker]

Sorry if this is obvious, and I just can't figure it out. Is it possible to print borderless from ASP? I don't see a choice for that in the output area, and in Custom the margins seem to be determined to stay greater than zero when I try to change them. The borderless setting within the printer driver doesn't seem to govern the print (Canon Pixma Pro 9000 Mk II). Thanks for any help you can provide?

Robert

[afx]

I don't think AS has the means to specify the needed overshoot.
You would need to apply tricks in the driver settings for this.

cheers
afx

[FalCT60]

As Afx writes it, you must set this through your printer utilities.
Given you already set it within your OS, it should work as is. But I could experience it isn't enough : one has to set it through the page parameters button in ASP's print menu. Then, it works fine. At least with my own Canon Pixma printer.

Regards,

J.-Luc

[rpenmanparker]

Thanks for the input, but I still don't understand. First every time I open the page settings tab, it is set to 8.5X11. I change it to 4X6 but that setting never "sticks". If I close the tab and reopen, it is always set to 8.5X11. Before going any further here, is something wrong?

[Dutchmm]

Since this does not happen on my system, I can only guess that you have a permissions problem. The file that changed this morning while I was testing my copy of AS was Print.queue in your User Folder (the directory you identified in the General tab of Preferences. On my linux the permissions are rw-rw-r--.

HTH

Mike

[rpenmanparker]

I appreciate you trying to help, but I have no idea what you are talking about. I found the print.queue file you mention in my Win 7 file system, but cannot open it, not knowing what application is capable of that. In the sense of After Shot Pro what are "permissions". I see no place to set those in the program.

When you say you do not have that problem, do you mean that page size choices "stick" and are there when you reopen the dialog box to choose size?

Thanks for any further help you can provide.

[afx]

Most of the files in your user directory can be read by a text editor. Preferably one that is intelligent enough to understand UNIX line ends.
Permissions should be checked where they are maintained, in the OS (use the windows explorer properties, the security tab).

But I fear that your problem is not a simple permission problem (it might be, did you ever run AS as administrator?), but a general problem of how AS interfaces with the print driver.

cheers
afx

[Dutchmm]

When you say you do not have that problem, do you mean that page size choices "stick" and are there when you reopen the dialog box to choose size?

Exactly! The page size I chose remains the same from one session of ASP to another.

In my Print.queue file, I find the following (this is not the whole file!):


[printer]
colormode=1
copies=1
filename=
fileoutput=false
margins=0.138889, 0.138889, 0.138889, 0.138889
name=Deskjet-D2500-series
orientation=0
pagesize=9
papersize=5.83333, 8.26042
papersource=0

This is what I got when selecting A5 paper - I would think that the paper size you are trying to set (4 * 6) is A6. Perhaps it is pagesize=10?

Mike

[rpenmanparker]

After an hour on the phone with Corel support I now have some more understanding about what might be going on, but not what I can do about it. I happen to have another printer (HP) set up on my computer. My photo printer is a Canon 9000 Mk II. When I change printers to the HP, borderless is allowed. Here's why: in the HP paper size list (the paper size selection in ASP changes with the printer) there are several sizes LISTED as borderless. If I pick one of those, I can zero the margins and print borderless. Canon's driver doesn't work that way. There is a list of paper sizes and a check box for borderless or not. Since no paper shows up denoted as borderless in Canon's list, ASP doesn't permit borderless printing to the Canon printer even if the borderless box is checked. I am going to update the Canon driver this afternoon to see if that help, but I am not optimistic. On the other issue my priner settings list still returns to 8.5X11 each time I open it, no matter which printer is active. Very frustrating

[FalCT60]

Er... if the borderless box is checked, the output will be borderless - unless you try to enable duplex, but then you get a warning -.
Some paper weights don't allow borderless either, but there again you get warned.
If you can manage to produce borderless outputs straight from Windows, there is no reason ASP couldn't as well.

Regards,

J.-Luc

[rpenmanparker]

Er... if the borderless box is checked, the output will be borderless - unless you try to enable duplex, but then you get a warning -.
Some paper weights don't allow borderless either, but there again you get warned.
If you can manage to produce borderless outputs straight from Windows, there is no reason ASP couldn't as well.

Regards,

J.-Luc

Makes sense to me, but it isn't working that way. In my hands the ASP print output function ignores the status of the borderless box and only sees paper types with or without a borderless label. Borderless if I select the borderless paper type, with borders otherwise. Since the Canon printer doesn't list papers as borderless or not, I can't print borderless. Do you print to a Canon Pixma Pro 9000 Mark II or similar? Anyone? Am I the only one who is experiencing this with this combination of software and printer? I installed the latest XPS printer driver, but it made no difference.

[rpenmanparker]

A few other thoughts which might be helpful to those trying to assist me. I just realized that ASP likely doesn't communicate with the printer driver each time you make a selection in the printer settings dialog. Most likely the printer settings dialog is populated with the default information from the driver for whichever printer is selected. That is why the printer setting dialog can't see that the borderless option is checked. It is operating on the default which is unchecked. Similarly for the reversion to 8.5X11" paper every time you reopen the printer settings dialog. That is the default in the Canon PP 9000 Mk II driver. Every time you print from an application for the first time after opening it, the driver shows 8.5X11" paper selected (and borderless OFF). That's why the ASP printer settings dialog always goes back to 8.5X11" for me. It is reflecting the defaults, not the current. Once again I ask someone with the same or similar printer to comment whether he/she is seeing the same thing. Information from Epson or HP probably isn't relevant. Don't get me wrong, I welcome everyone's input. I just think the peculiarities I am seeing are reflective of how ASP inteacts (or doesn't) with printer drivers and the characteristics of my driver. Does this make sense?

Robert

[FalCT60]

Okay, so your printer is a pro model, which leaves far behind my poor little iP-4950 which produces borderless printings with no problem under ASP (or whatsoever software I use).
What you describe makes me think about wrong driver configuration or driver incompatibility. Would you happen to run Vista ? Or 7-64 bits ? Or any OS that would need a special version of the printer software, that you woukdn't get yet ?
There would be a second reason for not being able to print borderless : wrong paper quality selection.
This picture https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-btE_ ... -k/ASP.JPG is what I get with my iP-4950 :
- on the left side, I have selected photo quality paper, which in return allowed me to select borderless printing, which allowed me to print the photo borderless ;
- on the right side, I selected standard paper quality and, when trying to enable borderless printing, I got a warning that could be summed up by "No borderless on standard quality paper" - and it refused to enable the borderless option, unless I reverted to photo quality.
There is no other explanation IMO for the issue you're encountering that the two ones in this reply - except Murphy, of course! -.
Please, tell us when you can solve it.

Regards,

J.-Luc

[FalCT60]

Rpenn
Could you do some testings since last posting ? any good news to tell us ?

[rpenmanparker]

No new developments on printing borderless from After Shot Pro on the Canon PP 9000 Mk II. I am convinced the answer is what I suggested in my last post above: that the ASP printer module sets borderless or not before the image is sent to the printer and communication with the driver takes place. It does this by specifying borderless as a paper type. Epson papers come as borderless papers and papers with borders in the list supplied to ASP. Canon paper selection doesn't mention borders or borderless. That is done with Canon in the driver. So there is no mechanism for selecting borderless from ASP. Selecting it in the Canon driver doesn't work. Thanks for checking back.