AVCHD to Blu Ray

[lata]

Hi Ken

Apology for any confusion in my last post.

One comment on 1280 x 720 x 50p Bluray, if you are able to use the Custom option to create the template then Make Movie Templates Manager would do the same with the added advantage of saving the settings.

[Ken Berry]

That's absolutely right Trevor. But since 1280 x720 50/60P is part of the Blu-Ray standard, I think Corel needs at least to think about providing it as an up-front option in Share > Create Video File rather than have it hidden away as a Custom option...

[Sph1nxster]

Sging 2,

To make sure that what i am rendering with Corel is going to be 100% compatiable with Nero 11 for smart encoding purposes I first need to start with Nero.

1). Open Nero and begin to make a blu ray disc
2). Open one of your non-edited videos and add it to the project.
3). Set the settings to 720/50p and whatever bitrate you want (i use 25000 as this will allow 2 hours on 25gb)
4). Make sure smart encode is off at this point
5). Burn blu ray project to harddrive
6). Once this is complete we now need to open Corel
7). In corel open the Movie Template Manager
. There is an option to add a pre exisitng file there and you need to add the new blu ray compatiable file that you "burned" using Nero
9). Once you have added the file, make sure that you do not edit it any further and save the new custom output type.
10). Complete your project and output as this new custom type.
11). Nero will not except the files as a 100% match in both video and audio and no compression or encoding will take place. Motion will remain untouched.

Of course this all hinges on using Nero, but as I said, in terms of adding a few extra steps, you can achieve perfect blu ray compliance and half decent menu customization.

Hope this helps

[Ken Berry]

11). Nero will not except the files as a 100% match in both video and audio and no compression or encoding will take place.

I assume the word "not" is a typo for "now"...?

[lata]

That's absolutely right Trevor. But since 1280 x720 50/60P is part of the Blu-Ray standard, I think Corel needs at least to think about providing it as an up-front option in Share > Create Video File rather than have it hidden away as a Custom option...

Hi Ken

I totally agree

[sging2]

Please tell us the properties of your original video file.
Then we may be able to advise on conversion settings for a Bluray disc and Standard DVD disc.

Hi lata

Thanks for everyone's advice on this subject.

I use two cameras so I have a mixture of the two settings in the below graphics. I have two query's to add to this though.

1. I am sure I filmed all my footage in 1080/50 (50fps) but all the properties show it as 25fps even in in windows. I also now understand I should set my camera to 1080/25 for the two disks I want to produce Blu Ray and standard DVD.

2. I burnt a Blu ray as the first option under Blu Ray at 35000kbps and this rendered ok. It plays OK on the PC and looks good, however it will not play via the USB slot on my new quite expensive Blu Ray player or burn to my BD-RE disk. I rendered another one using CUSTOM AVCHD - 2 pass encode and this rendered fine except for a bit of interference on some voice over on the sound track this also will not play from USB but burnt ok to the disk as Blu Ray and this plays .

I want to create Blu Ray quality and standard DVD's but it seems I am not getting the workflow right to burn these for these disks or to put on Blu Ray on a USB device.

What file settings do I need for it to play from USB/BR disk on the Blu ray player at the highest quality and what are the optimum settings for standard DVD's.

Thanks again for all your advice.

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[Ken Berry]

Re 1: Can you tell us the exact model of the camcorder you are using. It could be that the specifications say it films at 1920 x 1080i rather than 50p -- which would mean that though it could refer to 50 frames per second, it would really mean half frames as the video would be interleaved and thus only 25 full frames per second... You might need to check your manual for that...

Re 2: There are a couple of things I would try. The first would be, instead of rendering your project out to a Blu-Ray file, to instead go straight to Share > Create Disk > Blu-Ray. This would mean that the project file would appear in the burning module and the conversion take place as part of the burning process.

In addition, step number two would be to burn not to an actual disk on the final page of the burning module, but instead tick 'Create Blu-Ray Folder'. Then burn to that. If that works, you can test the folder on a Blu-Ray software player such as WinDVD, Power DVD or the freeware VLC player. If that too works, then you can burn the folder to an actual Blu-Ray disc using a program such as Nero, or the freeware ImgBurn.

[canuck]

Can create a standard DVD video on the USB and play it through the BluRay player?
Can you play the USB when attached to your PC?

[sging2]

I found out why the USB socket won’t play Blu Ray on my Panasonic player and that is because the player only plays MPEG from that socket which I find strange. The SD card socket will play AVCHD as long as it’s an SDXC card and it needs to be formatted in exFat32 as Fat32 has a file limitation of 4GB which is no good for Blu Ray. I can also play any file from the network as my Blu Ray player is on my home network. So that mystery is solved.

I have only recently moved into the Blu Ray production world so finding out all the do's and don’ts is a bit of a process.

It’s confusing that Video Studio has so many options of Blu Ray and AVCHD and it would have been good if Coral had listed each of them in manual with an explanation by each of the best uses and circumstances on when to use them as a guide.

Ken the camera I have is AG-AC160A

What would be the best format setting on the camera to be compatible with the making of Blu Ray and Standard DVD and using Video Studio. I currently have it set to the highest quality setting at:

Recording Mode: PS Mode*3,
Bit Rate (Average): Approx. 25 Mbps (Average), Max. 28Mbps
Image Size (H x V): 1920×1080
Image Format: 1080/50p
Audio: LPCM 2 ch*3 Dolby Digital 2 ch

List of Formats

List of Formats

[Ken Berry]

What would be the best format setting on the camera to be compatible with the making of Blu Ray and Standard DVD and using Video Studio.

Since you want to make both Blu-Rays and DVDs, you first need to realise that the current Blu-Ray international standard does not include the highest quality settings of your camera, which you say you are using. Those include 50 or 60 full frames per second. The only 50/60P video which can be currently burnt to Blu-Ray is 1280 x 720P. So one way or another, your AVCHD original video using that frame rate is going to have to be rendered down to 25 frames per second.

For the DVD side of things, they too cannot deal with 50/60 fully progressive video, but will also require 25/29.97 fps -- either interleaved or using the standard def equivalent of progressive, which is frame based.

So until the international standard is upgraded, I would be using the HA settings on your camera, or else use the PH settings but with the realisation that when rendering to either Blu-Ray or DVD standard, the original quality will be downgraded -- and fairly significantly so for a DVD.

[Natal]

I found out why the USB socket won’t play Blu Ray on my Panasonic player and that is because the player only plays MPEG from that socket which I find strange. The SD card socket will play AVCHD as long as it’s an SDXC card and it needs to be formatted in exFat32 as Fat32 has a file limitation of 4GB which is no good for Blu Ray. I can also play any file from the network as my Blu Ray player is on my home network. So that mystery is solved.

I have only recently moved into the Blu Ray production world so finding out all the do's and don’ts is a bit of a process.

It’s confusing that Video Studio has so many options of Blu Ray and AVCHD and it would have been good if Coral had listed each of them in manual with an explanation by each of the best uses and circumstances on when to use them as a guide.

Ken the camera I have is AG-AC160A

What would be the best format setting on the camera to be compatible with the making of Blu Ray and Standard DVD and using Video Studio. I currently have it set to the highest quality setting at:

Recording Mode: PS Mode*3,
Bit Rate (Average): Approx. 25 Mbps (Average), Max. 28Mbps
Image Size (H x V): 1920×1080
Image Format: 1080/50p
Audio: LPCM 2 ch*3 Dolby Digital 2 ch

List of Formats

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Actually, your camera doesn't record 1080p at 50 fps. According to the specifications it records 1080i at 50/60 fps, and 1080p at 25/30 fps, which is why your footage ends up at 25 fps.

[Terfyn]

Now I am confused. My camera Panasonic HC-V700 records at 1080/50p (1920x1080/50 progressive) Are you saying that the 50 is 25 in practice? According to Wiki a 25 frame recording rate would be shown as 1080x25p.

[lata]

Hi Terfyn

Maybe a confusion regarding 50p and 50i

50i being equivalent to 25p, I think, and 4 of those make a £.

If you are intending to burn a Bluray disc then record to 25p

1920 x 1080 x 50p is NOT Bluray compatible. You cannot burn a disc using these settings, you can make a HD file and play via USB as far as I know, but not a disc.
1280 x 720 x 50p is Bluray compatible, and can be burned to Bluray disc.

I think I got it right this time?

Quote wikpedia “High-definition video may be stored on BD-ROMs with up to 1920×1080 pixel resolution at up to 59.94 fields per second, if interlaced.[/size] Alternatively, progressive scan can go up to 1920×1080 pixel resolution at 24 frames per second, or up to 1280×720 at up to 59.94 frames per second”

[sging2]

My Panasonic TV has an SDHC slot and my Blu Ray player has an SDXC slot. I have just spent the last week running experiments to try and get either of them to play AVCHD, MPEG or Blu Ray. I have rendered every format of each from Video Studio and put them on the two different cards but when I access the cards on either appliance it says no files can be found. Does anyone know why they wont recognise these files on SD cards, I am now at a loss. I wanted to use the cards to run my videos in AVCHD. Both appliances are AVCHD compatible.

Regards

Stephen Gingell

[Ken Berry]

I can't really help with the direct HDTV input as I don't have a HDTV that will play video from a USB stick or external hard drive. I have to plug the stick or drive into my Sony PlayStation 3, which is connected to my HSTV via HDMI. That works fine, whether the video is HDV, Blu-Ray or AVCHD.

However, the name Sony raises a flag. With the PlayStation 3 -- and I suspect at least some (all?) Sony Blu-Ray players -- the video has to be in a folder on the USB stick or external drive labelled in capitals "VIDEO". Otherwise, the PSP cannot find the video!! So if you have a Sony Blu-Ray player, you might want to try what I have to do...

It seems to be isolated to Sony. Moreover, the USB stick and external hard drive have to be formatted in FAT32 as Sony products don't seem to be able to see NTFS.