ASP Camera or Not Support Overview

[grubernd]

hi..

some work in progress, a list about cameras / not / supported by ASP:

http://bit.ly/PbexFO

while some of these cameras like the medium format backs can be excused, the more popular cameras not having support is not really excusable. which is, quite frankly, even more a problem for Corel than for the users, because users will switch to some software that has support and very likely never come back.

please tell me if you find any errors. if you come across a link to public samples of raw-files not having a "1" in the column named "testfiles", please let me know.

whenever i find the time i will extend this list back in time. for now i just dug through the announcements on dpreview till i hit two really major cameras (5D3 and OM-5) with support. although i might skip the backwards-extension before i get too frustrated how long my Fuji S2 hasnt been supported by Bibble/Aftershot anymore....

feel free to share the link to the spreadsheet.

[Bernd]

hi..
please tell me if you find any errors. if you come across a link to public samples of raw-files not having a "1" in the column named "testfiles", please let me know.

The Olympus OM-D is supported in the current stable version. Using the anouncement date isnt't fair. Some cameras anounced some time before shipping, e.g. Canon 6D or the 1Dx anounced around a half year before shipping.

At least what is your intention of this list? Supported cameras are listed on the corel site, all other are not supported.

[grubernd]

The Olympus OM-D is supported in the current stable version.

that is why the column "RAW support" for the OM-D-5 has a "yes" in it.

Using the anouncement date isnt't fair. Some cameras anounced some time before shipping, e.g. Canon 6D or the 1Dx anounced around a half year before shipping.

please feel free to complain at Canon about this. they announced the product, so it is not a rumour anymore. if they can't deliver it is really their problem. even worse the manufacturers who make actual product announcements just for the sake of annoying the competition. phaseOne and hasselblad have a well known history for that behaviour. but the official announcement is the only thing that is really trackable from an outsiders perspective.

also, back in the days when Aftershot was called Bibble having preliminary support a few days after announcements wasn't unheard of. a lot of users have experienced that Bibble was the only software to support their camera early on. now it looks more the other way round.. sadly..

At least what is your intention of this list? Supported cameras are listed on the corel site, all other are not supported.

it's about keeping track of Corel not delivering critical updates after the original developers have been let go. and by not delivering critical updates they are losing customers or not gaining any new ones. so basically i am reminding Corel that they are running a business and need to up their game to keep it alive.

[mikmak]

You should remove the Olympus OM-D from the list - it is definately not in a stable state. The current raw conversion is not working properly. The ASP crashes if you try to make a jpg file and even worse - if you try to resize the file, the program completely stops working. You have to stop the program the hard way, nuke the casche and restart it to make it work again.

If I do the same with files from an Olympus Pen E-P1 kamera everything is ok.

Regards
Per

[Bernd]

The Olympus OM-D is supported in the current stable version.

that is why the column "RAW support" for the OM-D-5 has a "yes" in it.

Maybe I misunderstood your table but the I assumed the "Raw Support" column is for the current beta version, not for the stable.

also, back in the days when Aftershot was called Bibble having preliminary support a few days after announcements wasn't unheard of. a lot of users have experienced that Bibble was the only software to support their camera early on. now it looks more the other way round.. sadly..

I can't remember that bibble add supports to cameras that you can't buy. You select the ancouncement date. This date is more or less random and has nothing to do with the date Corel or some else could start adding support. My impression is that you want to get a higher value for the day column.

At least what is your intention of this list? Supported cameras are listed on the corel site, all other are not supported.

it's about keeping track of Corel not delivering critical updates after the original developers have been let go. and by not delivering critical updates they are losing customers or not gaining any new ones. so basically i am reminding Corel that they are running a business and need to up their game to keep it alive.

Do you really thing they need a table for this. Maybe they are busy to fix all the bugs the "original developers" didn't fix because they were busy with adding support for new cameras.

Anyway, have fun with your table.

[Bernd]

You should remove the Olympus OM-D from the list - it is definately not in a stable state. The current raw conversion is not working properly. The ASP crashes if you try to make a jpg file and even worse - if you try to resize the file, the program completely stops working. You have to stop the program the hard way, nuke the casche and restart it to make it work again.

If I do the same with files from an Olympus Pen E-P1 kamera everything is ok.

Regards
Per

I have no problems with RAW conversion of OM-D files. I run aftershot on Windows XP.

[grubernd]

since support for a camera is seldom dropped in a dot-point release and the beta is now public i consider anything that runs in the beta as being supported. just the fair answer to the camera announcement section.

and the images from the OM-D5 in my test-folder convert fine both with the public-beta 1.1.0.30 and the production version 1.0.1.10.

I can't remember that bibble add supports to cameras that you can't buy. You select the ancouncement date. This date is more or less random and has nothing to do with the date Corel or some else could start adding support. My impression is that you want to get a higher value for the day column.

it happened.

just a matter of doing business on an eye-level with the manufacturers or people who have access to pre-production units. if a one-two-three men crew like Bibble was able to source cameras the day the NDA's were lifted then surely Corel should be able to do so. Adobe does now..

actually, i would really, really like this whole document not being neccessary at all. but i am quite a technical person, so i like facts instead of rumours. and in some other threads the talk about "there hasn't been an update for ages for a certain camera" was something i wanted to explore.
we can argue about hard-to-deliver cameras like the 1DX or 6D, but e.g. the 650D is out more than three months – it's price dropped already by more than 15%, so it can't be a scarce item. the search for "D600" brings up thousands of pictures on flickr. and we can asume quite frankly not a single image made with one of those cameras was ever converted with ASP.

and again.. if a manufacturer promises a camera but can't deliver it, then people still make decisions based on that. even if you don't have the camera yet the impression that software X already put the announcement of support being ready out there, while software Y didn't, this is going to strengthen or weaken the public image.

part of this game is technical reality, part of it is run by pure perception of reality.

[mikmak]

'I have no problems with RAW conversion of OM-D files. I run aftershot on Windows XP.'


I run aftershot on XP too, on a stationary PC and on my labtop (both newer machines) and there seem to be the same problem on both machines. So not a hardware problem - and aftershot wotrks ok with my other raw files from Olympus E-P1, Canon 1DIII, 5D, 50D ... The problem lies in the aftershot OM-D conversion or the memory handling of it.

MVH
Per

[Bernd]

I can't remember that bibble add supports to cameras that you can't buy. You select the ancouncement date. This date is more or less random and has nothing to do with the date Corel or some else could start adding support. My impression is that you want to get a higher value for the day column.

it happened.

just a matter of doing business on an eye-level with the manufacturers or people who have access to pre-production units. if a one-two-three men crew like Bibble was able to source cameras the day the NDA's were lifted then surely Corel should be able to do so. Adobe does now..

Ok, your are right. I'd missed that point. But it sounds to me that in the past everything was fine with Bibble and the old developemt team. But it wasn't. I use Bibble since 2004 if I remember right. Support for new cameras is one thing, the other thing are stability, correct working functions, bugfixing, etc. And with this I was never really happy with Bibble. One example is the, in my optionion, totally useless implementation of the database. After the function was added I was very happy to use this to organize my images. But after a while I switched back to the file system mode and a saw no real improments to database functions in newer versions. The other big thing was lots of crashes during useing Bibble. Unfortunatly the copetitors I've tried doens't makes me happy to I'm still using Bibble/Aftershot. That now Corel is responsible for this Raw-Converter could be good or bad. I can't jugging this at this point. I don't know if the Bibble team was able to continue working without an investor. I think it wasn't easy. Anyway now the old team is not working anymore for Corel. I don't know the reason and it doesn't matter. I've no knowledge about Corels plans but after switching the developmen team I assume that it fist have to getting worse before it could getting better. I'm not very optimistic for the future of Aftershot, but I wasn't optimistic for Bibble too. But I hope I'm wrong.

Ok, you want to have facts but isn't the fact "is not supported" enought? What is the difference between is not supported four or six month after anouncement. Both values are too hight and at this time I wouldn't expect support for the camera anymore and I would start looking for an alternative. You want a higher granularity, ok it's fine. But my fist impression was that you want to blame Corel that they "fired" the old development team ("how stupied"). And this is still my impression. But this is nothing you have to care about, it is only my opinion and who I am.

[Bernd]

The problem lies in the aftershot OM-D conversion or the memory handling of it.

Yes, sure it has to do with the Aftershot implementation because it crashes. But it works for me (also on Windows 7) and I assume I'm not the only one. So for me it seems that it has more to do with your special environment, hardware and/or software (e.g. used plugins). So OM-D support is available for me but not for you. Now we can fight who is right.

[wpau]

Sony A99, not supported yet.

[Neki]

Sony NEX-6: No support.

[fukapon]

Pentax Q: not supported yet

[madbrain]

Pentax K-30 : no support ...
I have had mine since July.