Tips for making music video?

[cdoughertycd]

Bob: Here is printscreen of where the pops are.

Thanks, Candy

[cdoughertycd]

Bob:
I figured out a quick fix. I "shared" created a WAV sound file, put that down on the audio track, left the "popping one" on the microphone track but turned it off, and the pops are gone - phew.


Candy

[pvreditor]

I *think* the pops won't be there when you render, but just in case... I do have an idea, and you'll palm yourself in the head (as I did when I caught on) when you figure it out.

Once you copy the clip from the main track and insert it into the overlay track to create the transition, you no longer need that little sliced clip on the main track. Delete it and all of the remaining main track to the right. Hightlight the remaining main video track (which ends at the beginning of the transition you just created) and drag it back out to the right. Voila... no more slices in your main track! I couldn't believe how obvious that was when it dawned on me. Since there are no more slices on the main video track, there's no more pops.

Edit: I didn't see your quick fix until my comment was posted. Glad you figured out a workaround. What I describe above might be easier, though.

Bob Kovacs
http://www.bobkovacs.com

[cdoughertycd]

Bob: I'll try your "end pops" solution on a test project I have.

I just finished this project (I think), will render it tomorrow as I'm up too late as it is.

Was trio of violin, piano and cello performing Beethoven "Archduke" Trio, for a local orhestra benefit. The second camera was an afterthought by the still photographer who said her shutter was too loud for stills so she did video with her still camera. The two cameras don't match regarding white balance, but for first try, I don't care, and I like how it turned out. She was in the balcony so got good view of all the musicians. Two of the musicians do not like YouTube so it won't go up, otherwise I'd send you a link. One of the musicians, the violinist, is in the LA Philharmonic so it might be the best of this Beethoven trio I'll ever video. Now all we need is a sound guy with his boom.

Just made me realize how much goes into editing with two or more cameras with crossfades, phew. It's only 38 minutes and I've been working on it for 3 nights.

Thanks so much for your help. You helped me break boundary of multiple camera edits, something I've always wanted to learn.

Candy

[pvreditor]

Candy, you could upload it to YouTube and select "unlisted" in the Privacy Settings box. That way, the video can only be viewed if you have the link to it -- the public won't be able to find it. I've done this with many videos and it's a good way to let selected people see your work without opening it up to the public. Unless you have an existing YouTube account with at least several uploaded videos, you probably won't be allowed to upload a 38-minute video.

That said, there's so much more titillating stuff out there, that a classical music concert is likely to attract only a handful of views per week. I do have one very popular classical music video on YouTube: Bach's "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring" played on a glass harp. Who knew?

Bob Kovacs
http://www.bobkovacs.com

[cdoughertycd]

Paul: Yes, I have many videos on Youtube and can load long and big ones which was a big help when that changed. I too have shared them privately with links only, that works well.

The deal with the musicians in the quartet is two of them turn white when I mention YouTube so rather than a link "getting away" I'll not post it. But ... I finished the three projects of the same concert, one a verbal introduction, one a Haydn trio and last the Beethoven piano trio. I think I can get all three on one DVD. Your are right, light hits on classical music.

My brother bought me a dual layer burner but we haven't installed it yet. I already have the 8 GB+ discs. I need more room on DVDs. Do you use a dual layer burner for larger DVDs? I've heard mixed things about their compatibility with Corel.

Also do you know of a tutorial on how to easily make DVD menus? I'm having a heck of a time with it in ProX5, end up screwing up the shape of the highlight buttons, can't get them back, also have to drag off some of the shapes. I did get some written instructions via the forum but still am having trouble. I usually force it to work somehow but it's frustrating.

Again, your tutorials were great, thanks so much.

Candy

[pvreditor]

I've only made DVDs once and, like you, struggled with menus and virtually all the other parameters. So, no tutorial on DVD burning from me. There may be one out there... perhaps someone will come along and point it out.

Bob (not Paul) Kovacs
http://www.bobkovacs.com

[cdoughertycd]

Sorry, Bob on the Paul (senior moment), but thanks for your reply. I'll be on the lookout for any DVD menu tutorials.

Candy

[cdoughertycd]

Bob: I finished editing project with two cameras. I have quite a few clips of camera 2. The orchestra piece is 26 minutes long. Problem I'm noticing is splitting camera 1 for the small clips to lay down on camera 2 for crossfades causes audio and video to end up not synced. It ends up off by a small amount but enough to be noticed. I am assuming with each split a tiny bit is added to either camera 1 and 2.

Have you had this problem?

thanks,
Candy

[pvreditor]

I haven't had any sync problems, Candy, but the longest song I worked on was about 8 minutes. I did use the same technique on a presentation I gave that was more than an hour long, using an audio recorder in my pocket and syncing that up with the video from two cameras. There were some falling-out-of-sync problems with that, which I chalked up to the possibility that the audio recorder and cameras had internal timing that were slightly off from each other. It's possible that the two cameras have a tiny bit of timing drift when compared to each other, and that's causing your problem. Without seeing it myself, I think it's less likely to be the software.

Bob Kovacs
http://www.bobkovacs.com

[cdoughertycd]

Bob, thanks for your fast reply, I really appreciate it.

The theory about two cameras with timing drift could be it.

What I did to make the audio file was "share" it out to a WAV file from camera 1 on the timeline. Then I laid that down on the audio track. Then I laid down camera 2 on the first overlay track and synced that audio with the audio on camera 1 and the WAV file on the audio track, so three audio syncs. It seemed to be all synced correctly. Then I did your neat method of cutting camera 1 where I wanted camera 2 to take over etc. until I had all those cuts done. It seems at this point all the audios were still in sync. Then when I cut out the crossfades from 1 and overlaid them onto camera 2 clips front and back of each clip is when it seems they would get out of sync, meaning the WAV file on the audio track moved to the left which could mean that the cuts in 1 and 2 "stretched out". I noticed this after I rendered it. So then I went back in the project and moved the WAV file to the right and resynced it all.

For some reason this project has driven me nuts due to my rushing and not watching it in full screen while still a project.

Maybe if anyone else reads this and has input, great, but I think I finally finished this one. My theory for the moment is, the more cuts and crossfades between cameras 1 and 2, the more out of sync the audio gets.

Would be nice also to be able to see both camera 1 and camera 2 in a split screen during edit unless I'm missing how to do that.

Thanks again for your help.

Candy

[pvreditor]

... Then I did your neat method of cutting camera 1 where I wanted camera 2 to take over etc. until I had all those cuts done. It seems at this point all the audios were still in sync. Then when I cut out the crossfades from 1 and overlaid them onto camera 2 clips front and back of each clip is when it seems they would get out of sync, meaning the WAV file on the audio track moved to the left which could mean that the cuts in 1 and 2 "stretched out"...

The technique I use cuts only the video in the overlay tracks. In your case, that sounds like camera 2, but you mention cutting camera 1, so I'm not sure I follow what you're doing.

Then you mention crossfades... did you see my tutorial on doing crossfades between the main video track and the overlay tracks? Here it is: http://youtu.be/a2SgRd4u6ZM. Is that how you are doing crossfades? If not, then the timing will definitely slip, as VS automatically shifts video during effects to allow for overlapping one with another.

Hope that helps!

Bob Kovacs
http://www.bobkovacs.com

[cdoughertycd]

Hi Bob: Yes, I am doing the two-camera crossfades per the instructions in your video, but still got an out of sync issue. Hm, could be factor of the length of the video and number of clips? Just guessing here. The video was about 40 min long with about 15 2nd camera clips on the overlay track. I did not have this problem with a shorter two-camera video I did recently.

thanks for your help,
Candy

[pvreditor]

I don't have any new insight for you, Candy. My guess (which I mentioned above) is that the two devices are not quite in perfect time, so one "slips" with respect to the other. In professional systems, they feed a sync signal to the cameras so that all the cameras stay in perfect time. With modern digital cameras/camcorders, the timing is fairly consistent from device to device, but not perfect. I think you're seeing that slip.

Bob Kovacs
http://www.bobkovacs.com

[cdoughertycd]

Bob, thanks again. Appreciate your answer, lessens the frustration and I'll just work with it and adjust the audio, pay more attention to the audio during edit, if it does that next time.

Candy