PSPx5 Bugs and Fixes.

[SJS]

If I choose SELECT ALL in a vector layer, then go to another VECTOR layer, the "Paste as new vector Object" is NOT available (it is greyed out/inactive).

And why would the boundary box on a vector object be visible if the object has been finalized and is not selected?

I can go to a vector layer with multiple vector objects. None are selected, and NO boundary lines are visible. I use the PICK tool to select one, then the boundary lines show up. I use shift and select a second object: the boundary lines are expanded to include both objects.

I need a way to deselect these two vector objects.

"SELECT NONE" and "SELECT ALL" do not work for Vector objects.

[photodrawken]

If I choose SELECT ALL in a vector layer, then go to another VECTOR layer, the "Paste as new vector Object" is NOT available (it is greyed out/inactive).

Don't use "Select All". Highlight the top vector layer (not the individual vector objects beneath it) and Copy...Paste As New Vector Selection works as I described.

And why would the boundary box on a vector object be visible if the object has been finalized and is not selected?

Because it was the last vector object you worked on. Again, vector objects don't work the same way as selections.

I need a way to deselect these two vector objects.

Simply click somewhere else.

"SELECT NONE" and "SELECT ALL" do not work for Vector objects.

Don't use them for vector objects. (Gosh, using bold face text sure is fun!)

[SJS]

Thoughts in response to:

1) Don't use Select All & Select None with vector objects: seems only polite for PSP to grey these out when a vector layer is the active layer.

2) When I click between vector objects in a vector layer, it not only Deselects my vector objects, it switches me into the next lower Raster layer ... not the action I had in mind.

3) THANK YOU! for the how to copy all for a vector layer: this is wonderful, and a great help. That said, I don't see why on earth it is implemented this way!!! Totally bizarre from a user stand point.

[photodrawken]

1) Don't use Select All & Select None with vector objects: seems only polite for PSP to grey these out when a vector layer is the active layer.

Yes, but then things get way too complicated when considering all the things a user might want to do. For example, I can have one vector shape in a vector layer selected and after modifying it use "Select All" to select all the shapes in the layer to move them all.

2) When I click between vector objects in a vector layer, it not only Deselects my vector objects, it switches me into the next lower Raster layer ... not the action I had in mind.

That's odd. As long as all the pixels on all the layers beneath the Pick tool are transparent, when I click between shapes everything is deselected....

However, experimenting with this revealed an inconsistent behavior with the Pick tool, which I'll post as a separate message.

[SJS]

So "Select All" is meaningful and works for moving vector objects, but NOT for copying objects?

Is this a "works as designed" therefore not a bug? I am having a little trouble with this concept.

I love having a work-around (nothing selected, just copy), but this is a work-around. Select all and copy should work ...

[photodrawken]

So "Select All" is meaningful and works for moving vector objects, but NOT for copying objects?

Is this a "works as designed" therefore not a bug? I am having a little trouble with this concept.

Yeah, it seems weird at times, but the way I explain it is this:

This is the first page of the Help file concerning selections (http://product.corel.com/help/PhotoPro/ ... tions.html)
and the relevant quote:

By creating a selection, you can edit an area while leaving the rest of the image unchanged.

The "Creating Selections" section in the Help also refers to selections as "isolating part of an image" to adjust or modify an "area". IOW, using any selection method (by definition) is selecting an area containing raster pixels. The "Creating Selections" Help page further amplifies the concept, and distinctions, by describing how to create selections from vector objects.

So, if you have a vector layer containing two vector shapes, and you've picked one of the shapes to work with, you see the vector bounding box around only that shape. If you then use "Select All", you see the vector bounding box now surrounding both shapes as well as the selection marquee around the entire image area. When you use "Select None", the selection marquee disappears, but the bounding box remains around the two shapes because you've only deselected the raster pixel area. After using "Select All", you can move the two vector shapes as one -- you just don't realize you're also moving the raster pixels too because there are no raster pixels on a vector layer.

(The fact that using "Select All" on a vector layer also selects all the vector shapes within it is where the confusion starts, and one just has to accept that "Select All" does just that -- selects all raster pixels as well as all vector shapes.)

That's why simply copying and pasting after using "Select All" on a vector layer pastes the vector shapes as pixels on a raster layer. Selections, by definition, are raster pixel areas.

The thing to keep in mind is that vector shapes and selection areas are two different animals and one has to use the appropriate tools for working with each.

Clear as mud?

[bigfatron]

I've been trying to use the latest Nik Software plugins:
Color Efex 4 is not supported
Silver Efex Pro 2 is not supported

Unfortunately, because I am an enthousiast B&W photographer I absolutely want to use these plugins.
I've been using PSP since 1990 (v3.14!) and I am currently using the X4 Ultimate

It seems I have no choice but to divorce from Corel and move to Adobe Photoshop

Hi Sir, sorry for making this negative impression to you. Actually both of them cannot work well with PSP is known issue and the root cause is due to Nik software part. Corel side is asking Nik software to resolve this crash issue soon and the issue might be resolved in further update.

Any update on when this fix might happen?

[JoeD]

I first heard that response a year ago. I'm going to have to decide whether to stay with PSP soon also, but am not going to Adobe for a variety of reasons.
NIK just told me that PSP was not compatible and suggested I change to PSE, so I think they are interested in doing anything. Time for Corel to take action.
Will Topaz plugins work with PSP?

[Joelle]

I first heard that response a year ago. I'm going to have to decide whether to stay with PSP soon also, but am not going to Adobe for a variety of reasons.
NIK just told me that PSP was not compatible and suggested I change to PSE, so I think they are interested in doing anything. Time for Corel to take action.
Will Topaz plugins work with PSP?

Oh my ..
Yes Topaz works fine with PSP.
The nice thing about a good editor like PSP that you can create a lot of effects without using the NIK filters
Personally, I rarely use them.
That's half the fun of image editing

Joëlle

[bigfatron]

I first heard that response a year ago. I'm going to have to decide whether to stay with PSP soon also, but am not going to Adobe for a variety of reasons.
NIK just told me that PSP was not compatible and suggested I change to PSE, so I think they are interested in doing anything. Time for Corel to take action.
Will Topaz plugins work with PSP?

Oh my ..
Yes Topaz works fine with PSP.
The nice thing about a good editor like PSP that you can create a lot of effects without using the NIK filters
Personally, I rarely use them.
That's half the fun of image editing

Joëlle

I use a number of filters Joelle, including Nik. For some stuff they're excellent and a hell of a lot less labour-intensive that 'rolling your own' effects. It just seems strange that you can go from Colour Efex 3 as a bundled product to 4 which is dead in the water with PSPX5. I hope it gets sorted as it can only help sales of both products, especially in light of current anti-Adobe sentiment. And if its an issue Nik/Google aren't bothered about fixing then is it plausible to code their interface for Nik's bug at Corel's end?

[LeviFiction]

That depends on why it fails. And unless they're forth coming about the actual issue that's hard to do. It may even be impossible if it's a feature that PSP cannot properly support.

The bundled Nix effects were a special version designed for PSP specifically.

[bigfatron]

That depends on why it fails. And unless they're forth coming about the actual issue that's hard to do. It may even be impossible if it's a feature that PSP cannot properly support.

The bundled Nix effects were a special version designed for PSP specifically.

If you read the previous posts then Corel say its a known issue but one they believe Nik should fix. And the bundled version isn't 'special' as such as i'd used Nik filters with PSP prior to them being bundled with Ultimate, although there were occasionally issues with different versions of PSP and different versions of the filters. So broadly speaking they usually work, but Nik don't officially support or test against PSP (I think they only test PS and PSE) so occasionally there are issues with the plugin interface.

[Trapped]

I have 3 monitors.

I have the “Manager” on my left monitor, the “Organizer” box and palettes on the center monitor, and the “Editor” on the right. The reason that I un-dock the Organizer from the Manager is so that the Manager has more room to display the selected picture.

The Organizer is supposed to show thumbnails of the selected folder, but it won’t do it until I right-click on it and select “Docking”, which moves it back to the Manager and it then displays the thumbnails, then I click “Floating” on the Organizer to get it to go back to the center monitor. I have to do this every time I start up X5.

Any fix for this?

[timmendorf]

Is it correct that in Dual Monitor mode there is no possibility to have a Thumbnail view of images in the management screen?
Thank you.

[Nichoak]

In X5, Rename and Merge both have "m" as the keyboard shortcut in the layer palette context menu. Before X5 Merge used to be "r". There appears to be no logical reason for this change, as now neither of the shortcuts work.


Suggestion:
Instead of returning to "m" for Rename and "r" for Merge, Rename should be "r" and Merge should be "m", just because it is somewhat intuitive that the shortcuts for the most basic functions are the first letters of the name of the function.