What are you switching to?

[pgman]

...How to make LR work inside a virtual box AND the catalog on a network drive...

You may find that less than ideal.

Not at all. Not only, it's plenty fast enough. I did my own testing with Lightroom in the VMware box (2 cpus + 3Gb RAM) and the catalog over the network on one computer vs another one fairly close (definetly not identical computer, core2duo + 3gb RAM but a slightly slower harddrive) and I couldn't see a difference in speed.

[roland65]

Here is a new tutorial for running Lightroom 3.x or 4.x with Wine 1.5.17 : http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/digi ... ell-3.html
This works well and is quite fast!
RB

[binoyte]

Yes it works very well ! Fast and reliable.

Here is a screenshot : LR 4.2 on fedora 17 64bits
http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/13/98/61/29/captur28.jpg

Here is a screencast (5 IP at the same time. If doesn't work, try later, perhaps you'll be lucky)
http://dl.free.fr/eoq2a5Jiu

Thanks you so much Roland for that incredible work.

LR is now an ASP concurrent on Linux too. Wake up Corel and listen to us if you don't want a customers hemorrhage !

[roland65]

Thanks for the flowers! Now I'll try to see if Photoshop CS6 also works...
RB

[t3mujin]

I wasn't that successful, It installed ok but fails to start. I'll clean up my wineprefix and start from scratch later

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err:module:import_dll Loading library comctl32.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\windows\\system32\\shell32.dll") failed (error c000007b).
err:module:import_dll Library shell32.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\windows\\system32\\winemenubuilder.exe") not found
err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"C:\\windows\\system32\\winemenubuilder.exe" failed, status c0000135
err:module:import_dll Loading library comctl32.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\windows\\system32\\shell32.dll") failed (error c000007b).
err:module:DelayLoadFailureHook failed to delay load shell32.dll.SHGetFolderPathW
wine: Call from 0x7b84a4e4 to unimplemented function shell32.dll.SHGetFolderPathW, aborting
wine: Unimplemented function shell32.dll.SHGetFolderPathW called at address 0x7b84a4e4 (thread 000b), starting debugger...
err:module:DelayLoadFailureHook failed to delay load comctl32.dll.InitCommonControlsEx
wine: Call from 0x7b84a4e4 to unimplemented function comctl32.dll.InitCommonControlsEx, aborting
fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls" (6.0.0.0)
fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls" (6.0.0.0)
fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls" (6.0.0.0)
fixme:thread:GetThreadPreferredUILanguages 52, 0x32f8e8, 0x32fb64 0x32f8f0
fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls" (6.0.0.0)
fixme:thread:GetThreadPreferredUILanguages 52, 0x32f6d4, 0x32f950 0x32f6dc
p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls" (6.0.0.0)
fixme:thread:GetThreadPreferredUILanguages 52, 0x32f734, 0x32f9b0 0x32f73c
fixme:heap:HeapSetInformation (nil) 1 (nil) 0
fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls" (6.0.0.0)
fixme:heap:HeapSetInformation 0x110000 0 0x32fa74 4
fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null),0,0x32f3b8,0x00000000), stub!
fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null),0,0x32f3b8,0x00000000), stub!
fixme:thread:GetThreadPreferredUILanguages 52, 0x32f494, 0x32f710 0x32f49c
fixme:shell:IShellLinkW_fnGetPath (0x15b248): WIN32_FIND_DATA is not yet filled.
fixme:shell:IShellLinkW_fnGetPath (0x15b2e8): WIN32_FIND_DATA is not yet filled.
wine: Call from 0x7bc4a220 to unimplemented function KERNEL32.dll.InitializeConditionVariable, aborting
wine: Unimplemented function KERNEL32.dll.InitializeConditionVariable called at address 0x7bc4a220 (thread 0009), starting debugger...
Unhandled exception: unimplemented function KERNEL32.dll.InitializeConditionVariable called in 32-bit code (0x7bc4a220).
Register dump:
 CS:0023 SS:002b DS:002b ES:002b FS:0063 GS:006b
 EIP:7bc4a220 ESP:0032e92c EBP:0032e990 EFLAGS:00000202(   - --  I   - - - )
 EAX:00374d44 EBX:7bca9ff4 ECX:0000000c EDX:00000000
 ESI:0032e938 EDI:05473c08
Stack dump:
0x0032e92c:  00000000 00000000 00ae4000 80000100
0x0032e93c:  00000001 00000000 7bc4a220 00000002
0x0032e94c:  00374e2e 00374d44 0000000c 054c0760
0x0032e95c:  054661d0 0032e980 78ab0269 00ae4000
0x0032e96c:  00000000 0000000c 054661d0 054c0760
0x0032e97c:  78ab02c1 0032e99c 78ab02d1 00000001
Backtrace:
=>0 0x7bc4a220 call_dll_entry_point+0x5f0() in ntdll (0x0032e990)
  1 0x003a003c (0x054661d0)
  2 0xffffffff (0x00135300)
0x7bc4a220 call_dll_entry_point+0x5f0 in ntdll: subl	$4,%esp
Modules:
Module	Address			Debug info	Name (121 modules)
PE	  330000-  392000	Deferred        agkernel
PE	  400000-  5e0000	Deferred        lightroom
PE	  5e0000-  8a9000	Deferred        ui
PE	  8b0000-  998000	Deferred        substrate
PE	10000000-10020000	Deferred        asneu
PE	5d360000-5d36d000	Deferred        mfc100enu
PE	70d00000-70e91000	Deferred        gdiplus
PE	71590000-71617000	Deferred        comctl32
PE	78050000-780b9000	Deferred        msvcp100
PE	785f0000-78a22000	Deferred        mfc100u
PE	78aa0000-78b5e000	Deferred        msvcr100
ELF	7b800000-7ba2d000	Deferred        kernel32<elf>
  \-PE	7b810000-7ba2d000	\               kernel32
ELF	7bc00000-7bcc6000	Dwarf           ntdll<elf>
  \-PE	7bc10000-7bcc6000	\               ntdll
ELF	7bf00000-7bf04000	Deferred        <wine-loader>
ELF	7d7ab000-7d7b4000	Deferred        librt.so.1
ELF	7d7b4000-7d7cb000	Deferred        libresolv.so.2
ELF	7d7cb000-7d815000	Deferred        libdbus-1.so.3
ELF	7d815000-7d81e000	Deferred        libkrb5support.so.0
ELF	7d81e000-7d823000	Deferred        libcom_err.so.2
ELF	7d823000-7d84b000	Deferred        libk5crypto.so.3
ELF	7d84b000-7d919000	Deferred        libkrb5.so.3
ELF	7d919000-7d92b000	Deferred        libavahi-client.so.3
ELF	7d92b000-7d939000	Deferred        libavahi-common.so.3
ELF	7d939000-7d976000	Deferred        libgssapi_krb5.so.2
ELF	7d976000-7d9d5000	Deferred        libcups.so.2
ELF	7d9d5000-7d9da000	Deferred        libgpg-error.so.0
ELF	7d9da000-7d9ee000	Deferred        libp11-kit.so.0
ELF	7d9ee000-7da72000	Deferred        libgcrypt.so.11
ELF	7da72000-7da84000	Deferred        libtasn1.so.3
ELF	7da84000-7db48000	Deferred        libgnutls.so.26
ELF	7db6e000-7db90000	Deferred        imm32<elf>
  \-PE	7db70000-7db90000	\               imm32
ELF	7dc35000-7dc4b000	Deferred        dwmapi<elf>
  \-PE	7dc40000-7dc4b000	\               dwmapi
ELF	7dc4b000-7dc7f000	Deferred        uxtheme<elf>
  \-PE	7dc50000-7dc7f000	\               uxtheme
ELF	7dc95000-7dc9c000	Deferred        libxfixes.so.3
ELF	7dc9c000-7dca7000	Deferred        libxcursor.so.1
ELF	7dd38000-7dd60000	Deferred        libexpat.so.1
ELF	7dd60000-7dd98000	Deferred        libfontconfig.so.1
ELF	7dd98000-7dda8000	Deferred        libxi.so.6
ELF	7dea8000-7deb3000	Deferred        libxrandr.so.2
ELF	7deb3000-7deba000	Deferred        libxdmcp.so.6
ELF	7deba000-7debe000	Deferred        libxau.so.6
ELF	7debe000-7dee0000	Deferred        libxcb.so.1
ELF	7dee0000-7e016000	Deferred        libx11.so.6
ELF	7e016000-7e01a000	Deferred        libkeyutils.so.1
ELF	7e03c000-7e0c6000	Deferred        winex11<elf>
  \-PE	7e050000-7e0c6000	\               winex11
ELF	7e0c6000-7e160000	Deferred        libfreetype.so.6
ELF	7e160000-7e17f000	Deferred        libtinfo.so.5
ELF	7e17f000-7e1a1000	Deferred        libncurses.so.5
ELF	7e1c5000-7e1c9000	Deferred        libxcomposite.so.1
ELF	7e1c9000-7e1d3000	Deferred        libxrender.so.1
ELF	7e1d3000-7e1d9000	Deferred        libuuid.so.1
ELF	7e1d9000-7e1f3000	Deferred        libice.so.6
ELF	7e1f3000-7e205000	Deferred        libxext.so.6
ELF	7e205000-7e28a000	Deferred        urlmon<elf>
  \-PE	7e210000-7e28a000	\               urlmon
ELF	7e28a000-7e399000	Deferred        oleaut32<elf>
  \-PE	7e2a0000-7e399000	\               oleaut32
ELF	7e399000-7e3d6000	Deferred        winspool<elf>
  \-PE	7e3a0000-7e3d6000	\               winspool
ELF	7e3d6000-7e4b7000	Deferred        comdlg32<elf>
  \-PE	7e3e0000-7e4b7000	\               comdlg32
ELF	7e4b7000-7e4db000	Deferred        iphlpapi<elf>
  \-PE	7e4c0000-7e4db000	\               iphlpapi
ELF	7e4db000-7e506000	Deferred        netapi32<elf>
  \-PE	7e4e0000-7e506000	\               netapi32
ELF	7e506000-7e534000	Deferred        secur32<elf>
  \-PE	7e510000-7e534000	\               secur32
ELF	7e534000-7e5ee000	Deferred        crypt32<elf>
  \-PE	7e540000-7e5ee000	\               crypt32
ELF	7e5ee000-7e664000	Deferred        rpcrt4<elf>
  \-PE	7e600000-7e664000	\               rpcrt4
ELF	7e664000-7e76c000	Deferred        ole32<elf>
  \-PE	7e680000-7e76c000	\               ole32
ELF	7e76c000-7e780000	Deferred        msimg32<elf>
  \-PE	7e770000-7e780000	\               msimg32
ELF	7e780000-7e7b2000	Deferred        ws2_32<elf>
  \-PE	7e790000-7e7b2000	\               ws2_32
ELF	7e7b2000-7e9c5000	Deferred        shell32<elf>
  \-PE	7e7c0000-7e9c5000	\               shell32
ELF	7e9c5000-7ea30000	Deferred        shlwapi<elf>
  \-PE	7e9d0000-7ea30000	\               shlwapi
ELF	7ea30000-7ea92000	Deferred        advapi32<elf>
  \-PE	7ea40000-7ea92000	\               advapi32
ELF	7ea92000-7eb58000	Deferred        gdi32<elf>
  \-PE	7eaa0000-7eb58000	\               gdi32
ELF	7eb58000-7ec9a000	Deferred        user32<elf>
  \-PE	7eb70000-7ec9a000	\               user32
ELF	7ec9a000-7ecc0000	Deferred        mpr<elf>
  \-PE	7eca0000-7ecc0000	\               mpr
ELF	7ecc0000-7ecd9000	Deferred        libz.so.1
ELF	7ecdb000-7ece1000	Deferred        libxxf86vm.so.1
ELF	7ece1000-7ecea000	Deferred        libsm.so.6
ELF	7ecea000-7ecff000	Deferred        authz<elf>
  \-PE	7ecf0000-7ecff000	\               authz
ELF	7ecff000-7ed72000	Deferred        wininet<elf>
  \-PE	7ed10000-7ed72000	\               wininet
ELF	7ef72000-7ef7f000	Deferred        libnss_files.so.2
ELF	7ef7f000-7ef8b000	Deferred        libnss_nis.so.2
ELF	7ef8b000-7efa5000	Deferred        libnsl.so.1
ELF	7efa5000-7efae000	Deferred        libnss_compat.so.2
ELF	7efae000-7efda000	Deferred        libm.so.6
ELF	7efdc000-7efe0000	Deferred        libxinerama.so.1
ELF	7efe0000-7eff9000	Deferred        version<elf>
  \-PE	7eff0000-7eff9000	\               version
ELF	f72a0000-f72da000	Deferred        liblcms.so.1
ELF	f7413000-f7432000	Deferred        mscms<elf>
  \-PE	f7420000-f7432000	\               mscms
ELF	f7433000-f7438000	Deferred        libdl.so.2
ELF	f7438000-f75e2000	Deferred        libc.so.6
ELF	f75e3000-f75fe000	Deferred        libpthread.so.0
ELF	f7605000-f7623000	Deferred        wintab32<elf>
  \-PE	f7610000-f7623000	\               wintab32
ELF	f7624000-f7766000	Dwarf           libwine.so.1
ELF	f7768000-f778a000	Deferred        ld-linux.so.2
ELF	f778a000-f778b000	Deferred        [vdso].so
Threads:
process  tid      prio (all id:s are in hex)
00000008 (D) C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4.2\lightroom.exe
	00000025    0
	00000009    0 <==
0000000e services.exe
	0000001f    0
	0000001e    0
	00000018    0
	00000017    0
	00000015    0
	00000010    0
	0000000f    0
00000012 winedevice.exe
	0000001c    0
	00000019    0
	00000014    0
	00000013    0
0000001a plugplay.exe
	00000020    0
	0000001d    0
	0000001b    0
00000023 explorer.exe
	00000024    0

[teekay]

Woot. The patch works fine. winetricksing IE7 and copying the .dll wasn't needed here.

[patrickh]

Just made the move to LR, after testing almost everything out there. My departure makes no difference to them, I am only one user and my loss will not break the bank. But I loved ASP and the enthusiasm of the contributors (plugins, help etc.) and it was very reluctantly that I was forced into the opinion that Corel either does not have the resources to support and develop the product and/or does not have the will. I will miss this forum.


patrickh

[roland65]

I wasn't that successful, It installed ok but fails to start. I'll clean up my wineprefix and start from scratch later

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err:module:import_dll Loading library comctl32.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\windows\\system32\\shell32.dll") failed (error c000007b).

You have a problem with a missing comctl32 dll...
Try again with a fresh .wine directory. Don't forget any step!
RB

[roland65]

Woot. The patch works fine. winetricksing IE7 and copying the .dll wasn't needed here.

You need IE7 for the web module and also probably the Book module.
Copying the dll fixes problems with some dialogs (e.g. the remove dialog).
RB

[Jarkod]

Just made the move to LR, after testing almost everything out there. My departure makes no difference to them, I am only one user and my loss will not break the bank. But I loved ASP and the enthusiasm of the contributors (plugins, help etc.) and it was very reluctantly that I was forced into the opinion that Corel either does not have the resources to support and develop the product and/or does not have the will. I will miss this forum.
patrickh

So there's two of us. I was even more reluctunt to switch to LR because not only had I buy LR but also MS Windows - system that I haven't had on my computer since decade. I invested quite a lot in Bibble (the program itself and BSG) and AFS (and ASG), both time and money but the recent moves of Corel (or lack of them) literally forced me to look for a different software. AFS was $79 when I bought it. LR was $95 and Windows $113, what gives $208 - almost three times more then one AFS license and I could have spent it on Corel product. Hey, Corel, your customer care policy is beginning to be profitable (for others).

The only thing I regret is I didn't do that move earlier.

[Pho]

I have switched too to LR. So it is way more then just one customer lost now even though I am not a commercial loss, I had a NFR license. Still it is a sign for Corel that they can't even retain a customer who does not pay. The quality of my pictures comes first. LR4 has made soooo much improvement vs. LR3.
I have 100% stepped into it with the great book from Scott Kelby on LR4. This software has everything I need, with no need of any plugin. Or maybe just Nik plugins, just because they save time when looking for a great impact photo.

[NFG]

Capture One v7 came out recently, and after giving it a try I bought a license, and never looked back. It's slow enough that Aftershot looks to be from the lightning future, but wow that output. No pink highlights, far better sharpness, and better colour than lightroom. I really liked the way AFS blazed through my photos, but it was always the blunt instrument: too eager to blow the highlights, blow colour channels, and produce harsh images. Subtlety was not its forte. AFS lacked the colour smarts I could find in Lightroom, but Lightroom didn't offer the editing tools (or the speed) that AFS did (plus I loath Adobe for reasons), so I stuck with the AFS.

But now, the image quality I get from Capture One is just staggering. I'm going back through photos I thought were perfect via Bibble 5 or AFS, and doing them again. Every once in a while the AFS version wins, but the majority of my photos are better with C1. And, after learning C1 more thoroughly, even the AFS-favoured photos are coming good.

Like any software there are limitations, and @#*% is it ever slow!! But I think the pics look better. The models I shoot think the pics look better. My website galleries look better now. We'll see how AFS improves if Corel ever releases an update, but until then it's C1 all the way for me.

[afx]

Like any software there are limitations, and @#*% is it ever slow!!

On what CPU and do you have a fast GPU?

I always felt that C1 colors are lacking (Nikon NEFs) but what really pissed me of with C1 v6 was that it showed the embedded JPGs of my Oly XZ-1 but did not tell me.

Can the output recipes be used as a substitute for multiple queues?
Regional editing still seems to exclude nose reduction which looks quite silly.

cheers
afx

[NFG]

On what CPU and do you have a fast GPU?

i7 2600 @ 3.4GHz, and an 8800GTS.

I always felt that C1 colors are lacking (Nikon NEFs) but what really pissed me of with C1 v6 was that it showed the embedded JPGs of my Oly XZ-1 but did not tell me.

I'm finding that C1 is very much the middle ground between AFS and Lightroom, with a lot of restrictions on how far I can push things (AFS let me get into trouble too easily) but more freedom than Lightroom.

The same goes for the local edits you mentioned. There's only one edit tool (the airbrush), and I miss the polygon selector in AFS like crazy. It's cumbersome, but it's just one of those tradeoffs you need to make with any software. And yeah, there's a limited number of things you can do with a local edit layer, but again there's a lot more tools available than Lightroom offered. This ability to apply any of the available tools to any layer was a seriously excellent function of AFS, and one of the only things I unreservedly miss.

Can the output recipes be used as a substitute for multiple queues?

I'm not really sure, I don't mess with that a lot. I only run one recipe at a time, and I never queue things. One day I'll probably need to know this, but I've not had to dive into it yet. I know I've seen some people going on about it on the C1 forums...

[tomsi42]

Regional editing still seems to exclude nose reduction which looks quite silly.

Nose reduction? Sounds like a killer feature

On a more serious note; I often hear that Capture One is favored by model photographers. I have the C1 6 basic version and found it a capable tool, but it lacks too many things; some of those things are also missing in the Pro version.

I don't think there is any programs out there that can match ASP's speed. ASP is usable on a AMD E-450 based system if you are a little patient; nothing else is.