jknights wrote:
Are you a Corel employee ?
It seems like you are trying to justify the decisions of Corel's management.
Most people that don't have any facts to sustain there claims, will revert to "conspiracy theory's". I have been consistent in asking for facts to sport the claim that ASP is over and that I and any body else that bought should be worried.
if afx says "Everything will be dead...." he should back this up with facts, and he or any one else have failed to do so. There for I call him out to give some, and give my opinion that since there are no facts we should give Corel the benefit of the doubt. It is really that simple.
jknights wrote:
The public only knew about the Corel acquisition of BibbleLabs just over one year ago.!
I have the original email to me as a Bibble Beta Tester saying that I now had to sign a Corel NDA. This is dated, 23 September 2011. I guess that there had been some spade work before that and maybe the acquisition was started up to 6 months prior so being generous it is 18 months maximum.
OK so pedantic details done
afx wrote:
Maybe you should check your references. It is barely one year.
again it is really easy to do some research on the internet
http://support.bibblelabs.com/forums/vi ... 84&t=19655
clearly states that is was bought early last year (post is from Jan 2012) so your NDA date is irrelevant, yes it is not two years (I said almost two years), it is around 20 months or so) if your only argument is that my argument of knowledge transfer it is not true, because it was a bit less than two years, you don't have any at all.
jknights wrote:
Stefan,
I used PSP before I used Photoshop when it was a JASC product. Likewise I used the DOS and Windows versions of WordPerfect. The Windows version was very good, it allowed active embedding of a spreadsheet that actually updates itself if you change figures in paragraphs that are linked to cells!! Something that in 1996 was cool but still in 2012 Word doesnt seem able to do
I did use WP on DOS and windows as well that's why I knew your statements where false, because I remembered how bad it performed, and how bad the integration was on windows even with cool features like the "underwater screen"
from wikipedia:
While WordPerfect 7 contained notable improvements over the 16-bit WordPerfect for Windows 6.1, it was released in May 1996, nine months after the introduction of Windows 95 and Microsoft Office 95 (including Word 95). The initial release suffered from notable stability problems. WordPerfect 7 also did not have a Microsoft "Designed for Windows 95" logo. This was important to Windows 95 software purchasers as Microsoft set standards for application design, behavior, and interaction with the operating system. To make matters worse, the original release of WordPerfect 7 was incompatible with Windows NT, hindering its adoption in academia. The "NT Enabled" version of WordPerfect 7, which Corel considered to be Service Pack 2, was not available until Q1-1997, over six months after the introduction of Windows NT 4.0, a year and a half after the introduction of Office 95 (which supported Windows NT out of the box), and shortly after the introduction of Office 97.
So yeah Corel bought NOT a competitive product .
As for you using PSP before Photoshop that is irrelevant Corel bought PSP half a year before PS CS3 was released, nuff said
Back to business
jknights wrote:
Since you seem to be so pleased that Corel have closed on ASP what do you propose to run in the future on your Linux environment for RAW file conversion?
Again you don't have any facts to support this claim! Corel said that they would continue support for Linux, Mac and windows and nobody on this form has any facts given to believe they will break this promise
jknights wrote:
If you buy a new camera released after Nikon D800 (3-6 months ago) then forget using it in RAW mode as there will be no updates to RAW support if Corel have pulled the plug on development.
For me this wont work as I update my cameras on a two year cycle and I buy a new camera every year.!! So in one year I am in a position of not being able to you ASP. So I might as well switch to Capture Pro and Adobe ACR now, this effectively kills ASP which is what afx and others have been saying.
They killed the original team, but again there is no evidence that this means they killed development, as other people has been saying it could be very well the reason that they have been let go (slow to update and bugs fixes). But we don't know since we don't have any facts. I would say just wait for the next release and see what it brings, and lets see in how the support will be (I'm waiting for RX100 RAW support)
jknights wrote:
Likewise in the Beta Testers forum I have tested every plugin on the Mac environment and interacted with the developers over bugs and in consistencies as well as working with the Bibble/Corel development team in an effort to improve and extend the functionality of the ASP SDK.
This SDK is in my opinion the big differentiator (apart from ASP/Bibble high speed RAW conversion) between ASP and other RAW processors. Without the SDK then it is just another RAW processor but add-in in the plugins then you have a fast and efficient workflow to output client images in a consistent and high quality fashion.
I think this is a very cool feature as well! Don't know what this ads to the discussion, but yeah it's cool
jknights wrote:
I think you need to really think out you arguments and understand the facts before trying to denigrate opposing arguments.
Yes please do that!
afx wrote:
Why are you arguing about code that you have never seen and whose creators you never talked with? You know nothing about the internal structure of AS.
You are making boatloads of assumptions that are far off.
As I mentioned previously, it is really not hard to contact the original developers. Ask them.
Because software design in not some thing arcane, allot of good design principles are used one way or the other is every quality software. When most people hear the term kernel they think about the Linux kernel or OS kernels in general, you don't need to see the code to understand that to write a kernel for a program that mimics all functionality of the host OS kernel is unnecessary, stupid, and for the most part undo able. As you are clearly not a programmer by trait I can understand the confusion, but just ask your friends if they have done things that at a meta level/ design level aren't done in any other program, some parts may or may not be 'special' but there are just so many ways to do this stuff right. If you build a high performance application like ASP you have no choice than to make a 'kernel' your self.
Since we are running in circles I will not continue this discussion. You and afx don't give any facts on why ASP is dead and why I should be worried.
Your "history" lesson on why I should belief that Corel kills software, was easily falsified, if you only counter argument is that you have used it (WP) and it had/has cool features, you don't have an argument.
afx constantly make wiled claims at the mythical difficult to learn code base, that some how ASP is so difficult that it is impossible to learn, even though after a bit spend on the internet (linkdin) they have had employees that build nice things and only worked there for a couple of years. Some how these guys are so good in programming but at the same time write code that is incomprehensible by mortals. and because of that every thing is dead......
So we are back at where we started, you make claims without giving facts, I ask for facts, you don't have any, I say give Corel the benefit of the doubt since there aren't any facts not to do so.
as a side note: I belief afx when he told us that the team has been dissolved, even if he is the only reference of this claim
Regards,
Stefan
PS afx I hope you will update your guide after the next release as I'm planning to buy it
