Bye Bye AfterShot

[MTF]

As a former avid ASP supporter, I was forced to switch a few months back due to the lack of Camera support (Canon 1D X).... I picked up Capture One at 1/2 price and have never looked back. (The deal is back on till the end of Sept I believe) I didn't want a windows box but am very happy I made the switch on many levels, including what I feel is superior IQ.

The bottom line to me is if ASP is working for you now, get off the boards and go out and shoot, if it isn't ...... quit wining switch to something else ..... then go out and shoot. After all isn't our passion shooting rather than sitting at our keyboards for hours complaining about what could be or what isn't.

Have a great day everyone .....

Mike

[gregglee]

Here's the reality of Bibble/ASP:I already can no longer install Bibble 5 on my current system because it requires an old libtiff library that is obsolete.

I haven't visited forum in a while, so two week late reply.

Is this a Linux issue? I have B5 (and B4) still installed and running in WIndows 7/64. Can't you get the old library from another users?

[tundraquad]

.... I picked up Capture One at 1/2 price and have never looked back.
Mike

No linux version! and I don't think they will ever make one.
I asked Phase1 about that years ago. They said NO & confirmed that they have no intention on making one, now & in the future.
I tried again just after Bibble got bought & I got the same answer.

Cheers

[tomsi42]

I have given up on using linux as my photo editing platform; so I aren't dependent on that feature of ASP. But I do like the low HW requirements of the product, and the way it works. So I am have decided to not abandon all hope yet.

But ACDsee Pro 6 was released earlier this week; and I like what I see (and i am familiar with v5). So I am going to use that for the time being. I will be watching Corel and the progress on Aftershot Pro, and if the product lives on and matures; I might come back.

[brucet]

Sorry but I can't help myself.
This thread has gone somewhat quiet lately.
Just goes to show that folks need to be patient and prepared to eat humble pie sometimes.

Hindsight is marvelous ain't it?

A positive attitude helps as well.

regards

[afx]

What, you think that a team that is still struggling to make OpenCL work is a positive sign?
Or that no cams have been added since the last beta that the old team did? The D600 has been out since when?
This is exactly what was expected. New guys taking ages to get the things going because Corel neglected to have them trained by the original developers.

cheers
afx

[brucet]

afx that's true. But at least it's not dead. At least they are still working on it.
So as far as I'm concerned it's not dead.

regards

[wachovius]

I have tested the late 1.1.030 beta and have been very disapointed. Not only that bugs reported months ago (IPTC handling in NEF files) have not been adressed, stability is poorer than anytime in my Bibble 4 and 5 times

On the other hand, this poor quality was the final reason to abandon ASP and move to LR (even if I do not like their DAM concept). Image quaility generally is good and far superior to ASP when it comes to high ISO noise. Today I have taken some pictures of my son playing handball (D700, ISO 1.600, difficult light) and the resulty with LR are dramtically better than those with SAP (of course with NN license).

So ASP is removed from my drive and to be sold on ebay (if anyone is interested contact me via PM).

Thanks for the excellent support on this forum (especially to afx for his superior support). Enjoy your time with ASP and may the ligth be with you.

Markus

[algreen345]

I guess I've been lucky. I was using a Canon 60D, and am now working with an Olympus OM-D E-M5, and both cameras work perfectly with the latest beta. I explored the noise and color reproduction issues you mentioned. I have to use LIghtroom in a virtual machine as I run Ubunbu. IQ in the VM with Lightroom is worse than both ASP and Darktable. I don't have any major stability issues with ASP, OpenCL runs fine, and IQ is excellent. I never use Noise Ninja, preferring Wavelet Denoise instead. But I am using ASP sharpen more often, as the latest beta version works quite well. Gradfilter doesn't seem to work anymore in the beta, and the zframe and ztext plugins crash ASP but this has been reported elsewhere.

I continue to play with Darktable and hope to learn it well enough to obtain good results. But LR is not a good option for me and I will keep looking at ASP and how it evolves.

[Dutchmm]

Gradfilter doesn't seem to work anymore in the beta,

Hmm, it seemed to work for me, but perhaps we use it differently. I put my gradfilter on a separate adjustment layer. What are the symptoms you are seeing?

[AsterixEtObelix]

As I did not buy a new camera, i still do not say "Bye Bye AfterShot" .

For sure for new customer with brain new camera just do not rely on Aftershot fro converting your RAW... Don't say "Hello Hello AfterShot"

[JasonHRogers]

Why do I have to repeat myself constantly?
I have written about this previously in this thread.
Custom multitasking kernels with custom memory management are not a trivial thing.

Not relevant, either. ASP makes very good use of threading and may well do its own memory management, but there's no kernel customization involved. If the product required kernel customization to run, they'd sell two, maybe three copies.

I fear...

Fear is the problem. If what you have right now works for you, great. If it doesn't, find something else. If it goes from "works for you" to "doesn't work for you" between releases, you keep using the old release until you find something to replace it.

Hmm, I know plenty of software development companies form tiny to Fortune 500 that will give every customer a bug tracking number. Corel doesn't even do this with the beta testers, they just don't care.

There are just as many that don't. There are also lots of companies that give their customers that kind of attention and still couldn't find their butts with two hands and a flashlight. There's not a whole lot of difference between Corel's black hole and getting a tracking number that doesn't gain you any more information than until the next release comes out and seeing if your bug is still there.

I've done software licensing deals that gave me considerable inside access to the vendor and the product road map, a lot of influence over what went into future versions and the latitude to call the CTO directly and get a custom-cut interim version that solved a problem that needed solving right now. Those deals ran into many millions of dollars, and you're not going to get even a fraction of that kind of a support in a hundred-dollar consumer product.

The company that announced the new product in its pipeline before it was ready for sale and then went bankrupt because sales of their existing product immediately dropped to zero is a classic business school case study. Corel's not going to spill its plans for ASP without a good reason and an NDA, and I don't think I'd commit to a product from a company that did.

In short they treated their "job" like an open-source hobby project.

They had every right to do that. Bibble was their product and the business surrounding it was theirs. When you own it, you get to make the decisions, right or wrong. Without a service contract in place, vendors aren't obligated to provide anything more than a box with a CD in it. Or, as Bob Dylan once said, "just because you like my stuff doesn't mean I owe you anything."

--Mark

Of Course, we must appreciate What Bob Dylan said................

But in bussiness Customer satisfaction is found to be significantly related to organizational performance.
When customer firms get good service at a reasonable fee,they represent a high level of satisfaction with the service provider,it can be happen any kind of product evev ASP (
Dynamically edit, change, or add any content of a Web page,Respond to user queries or data submitted from HTML forms , Access any data or databases and return the results to a browser, Customize a Web page to make it more useful for individual users,The advantages of using ASP instead of CGI and Perl, are those of simplicity and speed , Provide security - since ASP code cannot be viewed from the browser , Clever ASP programming can minimize the network traffic. )
thanks..................