Is Aftershot dead?

[roland65]

We live in a modern world, where man is nothing except financial object, where financial direction of big companies buy business to keep licenses, kill the production, and the competitor and throw out men.

Yes, this is it!
RB

[Ken Berry]

See my post here: http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php ... 02#p254002

[RickHeath]

It's a funny (not) old world

I've used CorelDraw since v3 (way, way, way back when) and I was pleased, when I got a dSLR & started shooting RAW, that Corel bundled RawShooter at the time.

Then Adobe bought out RawShooter out & killed it, seemingly so there wasn't competition for LightRoom (which I tried & did not like at all). My searching for an alternative brought me to Bibble - then v 4 - which I tried, liked & bought, getting a free update to v5 along the way. Although it wasn't perfect I got along with it & I liked the fact that it didn't force me into using the catalog as I had already invested time (& money) in another DAM program (IDImager*). ASP came along and it looked like the software might have a future where it seemed to be struggling due to scale & resources.

Now things have come full circle & it looks increasingly likely that Corel have bought Bibble purely to asset strip, or worse! Maybe there will be some life in ASP for a while - the link in this topic suggested at least one update in the wings as of June - or has this now been canned along with the staff?

A lot has been talked about darktable & its possibilities but that seems to be only for Linux/Mac. Where now for a Windows user? Anyone fancy a port of darktable to Windows? ...Or will I have to cut my losses & sell my soul to Adobe?!? (If so I might as well go the whole hog & go the Photoshop/ Illustrator route as well!)

Yours disappointedly...

Rick

(*And IDImager, sadly, is showing signs that it could be going the same way - persistent bugs that don't seem to get solved, less frequent updates, less info from the guy(s) the running the show...)

[roland65]

Yes, even as a Linux user I agree : a Windows version of darktable would be a very good thing for this software.
Perhaps we could send some messages to the darktable dev mailing list?
RB

[Franz Dur]

On another forum I have seen several longtime Bibble users turn to DxO. They claim the move is made easy because the workflow is somehow similar and quality is fine.

I haven't tried it yet but sure will if the bad news are confimed. Which is a real pain, I bought Bibble in 2005, used it since and like it much better than LR, Capture One or CNx2. The ASP transition seemed a good move, like everybody I was hoping for the best...

Francis

[herman]

Yes, DxO might be the way to go (for Win and Mac, no Linux support there).

I have been a long time DxO user (since version 3.x).
I adopted ASP when I bought a new camera which was not supported by DxO.
Before the switch to ASP I tried to get to grips with LR, as a license was supplied with the new camera.
LR never worked for me though, but that may just be my character
For the moment ASP works for me, but I realize there are some "open items" which may or may not be addressed.
Last night I learned that DxO expects to support my camera in September this year.
As soon as they do I will switch back.

[evelynw]

Hi Gang,

Don't worry, another update for AfterShot is in the works. Thanks!

http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php ... 50#p254050

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[claudermilk]

Just found out about this news. This is very unfortunate, and sounds like a rather foolish move on Corel's part. As with several others, I stated up on v4 after getting dumped in the RawShooter buyout fiasco. Looks like round 2 is about done.

This move especially sucks for the Austin crew and plugin devs. Best of luck to you guys.

On another forum I have seen several longtime Bibble users turn to DxO. They claim the move is made easy because the workflow is somehow similar and quality is fine.

I haven't tried it yet but sure will if the bad news are confimed. Which is a real pain, I bought Bibble in 2005, used it since and like it much better than LR, Capture One or CNx2. The ASP transition seemed a good move, like everybody I was hoping for the best...

Francis

I would be one of the people who moved to DxO (thus my absence here--I'm sure everyone noticed... ). It is indeed a fairly painless transition for longtime Bibble users. You even regain some of the B4 layout customizability that was lost. I've been happier with the output than what ASP can produce. It's not perfect, but I'm not looking back.

[Hobgoblin]

Hi Gang,

Don't worry, another update for AfterShot is in the works. Thanks!

http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php ... 50#p254050

e.

Worth considering this from Brian Cee - Site Admin

As a very long time Corel user I feel the need to say a few words,

In Corel speak 1.1.0.7 is NOT a new version - it is simply another upgrade patch to version 1. In Corels other products like VideoStudio and Paintshop we always refer to these updates as service packs - so when we discuss a product we will say VideosStudio X5 SP2 - denoting that two patches have been applied to Version X5. In Corel speak these patches do not provide any enhancements to the programme but will add functionality - such as recognition for different cameras or correct errors in the original programme.

If and when Corel do release a new version it will almost certainly be called Version 2 and it's product ID will be something like 2.0.#.#.

And the bad news - *IF* a new version is released you will have to pay for it and if past practises are maintained then there will be no more patches for version 1 after that.

So when "evelynw" refers to a 'update' does she mean a Patch or a new Version?
If its a 'Patch' it will be free. If Its an 'Update' probably a charge will be involved if Brian Cee's post is to be believed.

Once bitten twice shy - I would be disinclined to give them any more money.
R.

[jknights]

We live in a modern world, where man is nothing except financial object, where financial direction of big companies buy business to keep licenses, kill the production, and the competitor and throw out men.

Yes, this is it!
RB

I think that 'sad and greedy' should be substituted for 'modern' in the statement above.

I dont intend to continue to help Corel by Beta Testing for them as I think that this situation has been very poorly handled.

[Franz Dur]

...
I would be one of the people who moved to DxO (thus my absence here--I'm sure everyone noticed... ). It is indeed a fairly painless transition for longtime Bibble users. You even regain some of the B4 layout customizability that was lost. I've been happier with the output than what ASP can produce. It's not perfect, but I'm not looking back.

Yes, you are one of those . And I may follow. Like many IMatch users I am allergic to the LR philosophy (got it after the RawShooter sad episode) and if ASP gets burried also DxO is one of the rare serious alternative. I will download a trial and see.

For the time being ASP is fine with my Pana and Nikon raw. In fact ASP + Bez + Gradfilter + zPerspector + Wavelet Sharpen is enough for me, almost never open Photoshop.

But I miss the time when Eric would cook a B4 variant overnight for me to correct some problem with the Minolta MRW, with Corel we are know light years away from this era.

Francis

[I3ilbo]

i would love to change to lightroom as it is not that more expensive and way more developed.

but as a linux user....

[ferdinand-paris]

(thus my absence here--I'm sure everyone noticed... )

I did.

[marcof]

Yes, DxO might be the way to go (for Win and Mac, no Linux support there).

As a Mac user I tried Aperture first only to conclude it is an "please kill me now" experience. Another bag of cash wasted.

I am currently looking into DxO myself, being a bit annoyed with them that the Nikon D700 is only in the Elite version, while my other cams (oly e1, e400, e410, nikon 1v1, p7000 and I probably forgot some) are in the Standard version.. Argh.. But I've asked them if they consider competitive upgrade pricing

And I've touched Silkypix Studio a looong time ago. Just checked and it still is in good development. But since it's a japanese product, I guess communication with support might be difficult in the end..

[ferdinand-paris]

Anyone looked at Capture One recently? Pricey, but if it delivered then I'd be prepared to pay.