Linux + Calib. Mon + TurboPrint = print calib confusion ?

[kumsa]

My question is how to soft profile under Linux to my Canon Pro9000MKii.

- I have checked all available documentation, and have purchased (and read) the AfterShot Survival Guide
- I have a color calibrated monitor (Dell U2312HM http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/ha ... ew-10.html using a ColorHug)
- Ubuntu 12.04, using the ColorHug generated monitor profile (I did a sanity check against a MPix calibrated print and their TIFF, everything looks good).

- Sadly, I can't get any Canon icc/icm for the Pro9000MKii. It's just weird, or there is something that I don't understand. Canon even supplies icc profiles for 3rd party paper. So, while I can use Canon paper (say PhotoPlusGlossy PP201), and can select it from TurboPrint -- I can't soft proof for it ! I've even installed the Canon Print drivers on a windows box to see if I can extract or identify an icc/icm file for their paper. Nope.

Here's my plan:
- Use Red River paper, which has a full set of profiles that I can use for soft proofing in ASP. Output to jpeg in sRGB.
- Use Turboprint's paper color profiling to generate Turboprint compliant profiles for the Red River paper. Print the jpeg through the newly created Turboprint profiles.

Is this the most direct route to soft proof for my printer ? Is there another way to get the Canon paper/ink/printer profiles into ASP ?

[afx]

Sorry, I don't understand...
Do you have the icc/icm files for the papers?
If yes, you can use the soft proof preferences to load them.

cheers
afx

[kumsa]

Thanks AFX,

My dilemma is how to soft proof with ASP, when Canon doesn't provide icc files for Linux. I guess that's the simplest way to say it. Turboprint (which I love) only has Canon paper profiles and it doesn't accept 3rd party papers (it's a RIP not really a print driver, right?).

So, I think my only option for soft proofing with my Linux/TurboPrint/Pro9000MKii is to (1) rely on a 3rd party for the icc profile that I'll run on my monitor, and (2) have TurboPrint create the corresponding paper profiles for the printer.

I'm going to use Red River Paper, because they already have the profiles for the Pro9000MKii and it should be close to what I get with Turboprint.

[hannes_hab]

http://www.zedonet.com/de_shop_tp_profile.phtml

http://www.zedonet.com/en_shop_tp_profile.phtml
"Note: the profile will be created for the dynamic color management of PrintFab and TurboPrint drivers - it is not a standard ICC profile."

support forum:
http://www.turboprint.info/support/search.php
Search found 96 matches: icc

Re: ICC profile
Hello,
currently we don't send ICC profiles but profiles in our own format. We plan to provide "hybrid" profiles in the future that can be used for softproofing ...

so maybe in future versions of turboprint ...

[afx]

My dilemma is how to soft proof with ASP, when Canon doesn't provide icc files for Linux.

Why should they?
ICC Profiles for printers are not OS specific. Just grab them from the Canon web site or a Windows installation.

I guess that's the simplest way to say it. Turboprint (which I love) only has Canon paper profiles and it doesn't accept 3rd party papers (it's a RIP not really a print driver, right?).

Turboprint works just fine with ICC profiles. From printer or paper manufacturers as well as home made custom profiles.
They just have a funky user interface for the profile loading so it is not really obvious and it might be that this only works in the Studio version. When I tested it, I only checked Studio, not the stripped down version because their web site indicated that the main difference is color profile handling.

When I tested Turboprint with my canon toy printer I actually used profiles I had generated myself with the ColorMunki software on Windows (did not want to waste paper for a decent profile with ArgyllCMS).

So, I think my only option for soft proofing with my Linux/TurboPrint/Pro9000MKii is to (1) rely on a 3rd party for the icc profile that I'll run on my monitor, and (2) have TurboPrint create the corresponding paper profiles for the printer.

Nope.
Turboprint works just fine with third party profiles that can also be used for soft proofing.

I'm going to use Red River Paper

Check out Museo (if you are into textured stuff) and Canson Baryta Photographique

cheers
afx

[kumsa]

AFX, thanks ! I have the feeling that I'm closing in on a definitive solution.

Why should they?
ICC Profiles for printers are not OS specific. Just grab them from the Canon web site or a Windows installation.

Wouldn't that be wonderful ? Actually, getting the Canon icc profiles for the printers and paper combination is next to impossible. ICC profiles might not be OS specific, but the Canon software sure is. The icc files are all mixed in with no easily distinguishable characteristics. Basically, I don't have anything that I can verify.

Turboprint works just fine with ICC profiles. From printer or paper manufacturers as well as home made custom profiles.
They just have a funky user interface for the profile loading so it is not really obvious and it might be that this only works in the Studio version. When I tested it, I only checked Studio, not the stripped down version because their web site indicated that the main difference is color profile handling.

Terrific. I have upgraded to the Studio edition, and misunderstood their documentation. I'll have to think about using ColorMunki for special papers. But, in the mean while I'll book up on adding the icc profile to TurboPrint.

Check out Museo (if you are into textured stuff) and Canson Baryta Photographique

AFX, I will certainly check out Museo and the Canson papers. Being able to generate my own 13x19 on fine art paper is an essential step in publishing my work.

All the best, Kumsa

[afx]

Well, the third party profiles are usually available via the paper manufacturers, no need to use Canon for them. So only the Canon papers could be complicated.
But if you install a canon driver in a VM or so, you should be able to grab the profiles from c:\windows\spool\drivers\color (or so, don't remember the exact path right now...).
This should help to understand the names of the canon profiles:
http://kbsupport.cusa.canon.com/system/ ... E_ID=34060

And, the exe files that contain the Canon profiles often can be read with 7z on Linux, here is the output for the profile archive I just loaded from Canons web site:

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$ 7z l /tmp/ippro9000mk2win100en.exe 

7-Zip [64] 9.20  Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov  2010-11-18
p7zip Version 9.20 (locale=en_US.utf8,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,8 CPUs)

Listing archive: /tmp/ippro9000mk2win100en.exe

--
Path = /tmp/ippro9000mk2win100en.exe
Type = PE
CPU = x86
Characteristics = Executable 32-bit NoRelocs
Created = 2007-07-23 19:28:54
Physical Size = 1344848
Headers Size = 4096
Checksum = 1402630
Image Size = 1359872
Section Alignment = 4096
File Alignment = 4096
Code Size = 57344
Initialized Data Size = 81920
Uninitialized Data Size = 0
Linker Version = 8.0
OS Version = 4.0
Image Version = 0.0
Subsystem Version = 4.0
Subsystem = Windows GUI
Stack Reserve = 32000
Stack Commit = 4096
Heap Reserve = 32000
Heap Commit = 4096
Image Base = 4194304
----
Path = _winzip_
Size = 1216512
Packed Size = 1216512
Characteristics = InitializedData Discardable Read
Offset = 122880
Virtual Address = 143360
--
Path = _winzip_
Type = zip
Physical Size = 1214238
Offset = 82

   Date      Time    Attr         Size   Compressed  Name
------------------- ----- ------------ ------------  ------------------------
2009-03-09 16:00:00 ....A       329472       172056  ippro9000mk2win100en/Canon Pro9000 Mark II series for Arches Pure White Soft 240.icm
2009-03-09 16:00:00 ....A       329432       170668  ippro9000mk2win100en/Canon Pro9000 Mark II series for Canson Canvas.icm
2009-03-09 16:00:00 ....A       329444       172201  ippro9000mk2win100en/Canon Pro9000 Mark II series for Canson Mi-Teintes.icm
2009-03-09 16:00:00 ....A       329464       174746  ippro9000mk2win100en/Canon Pro9000 Mark II series for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 308.icm
2009-03-09 16:00:00 ....A       329448       172956  ippro9000mk2win100en/Canon Pro9000 Mark II series for Hahnemuhle Torchon.icm
2009-03-09 16:00:00 ....A       329480       174764  ippro9000mk2win100en/Canon Pro9000 Mark II series for Hahnemuhle William Turner 190.icm
2009-03-09 16:00:00 ....A       329480       174763  ippro9000mk2win100en/Canon Pro9000 Mark II series for Hahnemuhle William Turner 310.icm
2009-04-01 02:10:50 D....            0            0  ippro9000mk2win100en
------------------- ----- ------------ ------------  ------------------------
                               2306220      1212154  7 files, 1 folders

cheers
afx

[kumsa]

AFX, how did you find that Canon resource page ?! I really did look hard before posting.

Thanks !

[afx]

I just went to the support/download section and had a look.....

cheers
afx