BUG: TIFF files not recognized or opened in ASP

[nyukuri]

I have the following problem:

I batch output images to a 16-bit TIFF file (proPhoto RGB imbedded) and let it open by TOPAZ photoFXlab for further editing. All works fine in TOPAZ, but after closing it and applying the changes, the TIFF file is no longer recognized by AfterShot Pro.
1. This problem did not occur with TOPAZ Fusion before, so it could be a problem of TOPAZ...
2. on the other hand, the TIFF files are recognized and opened by PS or Corel PaintShop Pro, which would suggest that it is a problem of AfterShot

Does anyone have seen similar problems? Any way to solve it? (my trials with different color profiles or 8-bit TIFFs did not help)

[afx]

What size is the Tiff after processing (in MP, not MB)?
Does it have alpha channels?

cheers
afx

[nyukuri]

TOPAZ photoFXlab does work with layers and masks, but even if I apply only a simple effect, without masking anything, the image is no longer recognized by ASP. Besides, the same happens with simple JPEGS (sRGB) - they dont show up in ASP after coming out of TOPAZ photoFXlab - so I guess alpha channels cannot be the (only) problem.

The size (MP) is the same as before - no change there!

[afx]

The size (MP) is the same as before - no change there!

Ok, so the TIFFs generated by AS open in AS? (AS has limits for TIFF/JPG sizes but not for raw files).

Can you compare the "exiftool -g0 -D" output for a TIFF directly from AS vs. one that was processed by Topaz?

cheers
afx

[nyukuri]

Yes, the TIF created by ASP can be opened by ASP!

Here the changes I noticed after running exiftool:

- photoFXlab added more Infos (like: 254 Subfile Type : Full-resolution Image)
- looks like an alpha channel is added (new version: samples per pixel = 4)
- new: (338 Extra Samples : Unassociated Alpha)
- the new file is compressed
- new: the "F number" is changed!!!!! from 3.5 to 5 (how is that possible?)

but if the alpha channel is the problem, why do I have the same trouble with JPEGS? I thought they cannot have alpha channels...

ASP VERSION BEFORE EDITING IN TOPAZ PHOTOFXLAB

---- ExifTool ----
- ExifTool Version Number : 8.80
---- File ----
- File Name : a1.tif
- Directory : .
- File Size : 57 MB
- File Modification Date/Time : 2012:06:28 11:29:52+02:00
- File Permissions : rw-rw-rw-
- File Type : TIFF
- MIME Type : image/tiff
- Exif Byte Order : Little-endian (Intel, II)
- Current IPTC Digest : b703e263f60131038cb548369e8609ff
---- EXIF ----
256 Image Width : 3648
257 Image Height : 2738
258 Bits Per Sample : 16 16 16
259 Compression : Uncompressed
262 Photometric Interpretation : RGB
273 Strip Offsets : (Binary data 24131 bytes, use -b option to extract)
274 Orientation : Horizontal (normal)
277 Samples Per Pixel : 3
278 Rows Per Strip : 1
279 Strip Byte Counts : (Binary data 16427 bytes, use -b option to extract)
282 X Resolution : 300
283 Y Resolution : 300
284 Planar Configuration : Chunky
296 Resolution Unit : inches
271 Make : NIKON
272 Camera Model Name : COOLPIX P7100
306 Modify Date : 2012:06:28 11:29:52
33434 Exposure Time : 1/125
33437 F Number : 3.5
34850 Exposure Program : Aperture-priority AE
34855 ISO : 100
36867 Date/Time Original : 2011:11:06 10:10:53
36868 Create Date : 2011:11:06 10:10:53
37380 Exposure Compensation : 0
37381 Max Aperture Value : 2.8
37383 Metering Mode : Multi-segment
37384 Light Source : Unknown
37386 Focal Length : 13.0 mm
37520 Sub Sec Time : 114
41986 Exposure Mode : Auto
41989 Focal Length In 35mm Format : 61 mm
41992 Contrast : Normal
41993 Saturation : Normal
41994 Sharpness : Normal
41996 Subject Distance Range : Unknown
---- XMP ----
- XMP Toolkit : XMP Core 4.4.0
- White Balance : Auto
- ISO Speed Rating : 100
- GPS Altitude Ref : Above Sea Level
- GPS Status : Measurement Active
- Rating : 0
---- IPTC ----
90 Coded Character Set : UTF8
0 Application Record Version : 4
55 Date Created : 2011:11:06
60 Time Created : 10:10:53
---- ICC_Profile ----
4 Profile CMM Type : lcms
8 Profile Version : 2.1.0
12 Profile Class : Display Device Profile
16 Color Space Data : RGB
20 Profile Connection Space : XYZ
24 Profile Date Time : 1998:12:01 18:58:21
36 Profile File Signature : acsp
40 Primary Platform : Microsoft Corporation
44 CMM Flags : Not Embedded, Independent
48 Device Manufacturer : KODA
52 Device Model : ROMM
56 Device Attributes : Reflective, Glossy, Positive, Color
64 Rendering Intent : Perceptual
68 Connection Space Illuminant : 0.9642 1 0.82491
80 Profile Creator : lcms
84 Profile ID : 0
- Profile Copyright : Copyright (c) Eastman Kodak Company, 1999, all rights reserved.
- Profile Description : Kodak ProPhoto RGB
- Media White Point : 0.9642 1 0.82489
- Red Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
- Green Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
- Blue Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
- Red Matrix Column : 0.79767 0.28804 0
- Green Matrix Column : 0.13519 0.71188 0
- Blue Matrix Column : 0.03134 9e-005 0.82491
- Device Mfg Desc : KODAK
- Device Model Desc : Reference Output Medium Metric(ROMM)
- Make And Model : (Binary data 40 bytes, use -b option to extract)
- Calibration Date Time : 2002:06:26 00:00:00
---- Composite ----
- Aperture : 3.5
- Date/Time Created : 2011:11:06 10:10:53
- Flash : No Flash
- Image Size : 3648x2738
- Scale Factor To 35 mm Equivalent: 4.7
- Shutter Speed : 1/125
- Modify Date : 2012:06:28 11:29:52.114
- Circle Of Confusion : 0.006 mm
- Field Of View : 32.9 deg
- Focal Length : 13.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 61.0 mm)
- Hyperfocal Distance : 7.54 m
- Light Value : 10.6



VERSION AFTER EDITING IN TOPAZ PHOTOFXLAB


---- ExifTool ----
- ExifTool Version Number : 8.80
---- File ----
- File Name : a2.tif
- Directory : .
- File Size : 32 MB
- File Modification Date/Time : 2012:06:28 11:31:40+02:00
- File Permissions : rw-rw-rw-
- File Type : TIFF
- MIME Type : image/tiff
- Exif Byte Order : Little-endian (Intel, II)
- Current IPTC Digest : 618c6b3554dc3777b6adfc797ee53508
---- EXIF ----
254 Subfile Type : Full-resolution Image
256 Image Width : 3648
257 Image Height : 2738
258 Bits Per Sample : 16 16 16 16
259 Compression : LZW
262 Photometric Interpretation : RGB
266 Fill Order : Normal
271 Make : NIKON
272 Camera Model Name : COOLPIX P7100
273 Strip Offsets : (Binary data 23757 bytes, use -b option to extract)
274 Orientation : Horizontal (normal)
277 Samples Per Pixel : 4
278 Rows Per Strip : 1
279 Strip Byte Counts : (Binary data 16417 bytes, use -b option to extract)
282 X Resolution : 300
283 Y Resolution : 300
284 Planar Configuration : Chunky
296 Resolution Unit : inches
317 Predictor : Horizontal differencing
338 Extra Samples : Unassociated Alpha
339 Sample Format : Unsigned; Unsigned; Unsigned; Unsigned
33434 Exposure Time : 124
33437 F Number : 5.0
34850 Exposure Program : Aperture-priority AE
34855 ISO : 100
36867 Date/Time Original : 2011:11:06 10:10:53
36868 Create Date : 2011:11:06 10:10:53
37381 Max Aperture Value : 2.8
37383 Metering Mode : Multi-segment
37384 Light Source : Unknown
37386 Focal Length : 13.0 mm
37520 Sub Sec Time : 125
41986 Exposure Mode : Auto
41989 Focal Length In 35mm Format : 61 mm
41992 Contrast : Normal
41993 Saturation : Normal
41994 Sharpness : Normal
41996 Subject Distance Range : Unknown
---- XMP ----
- XMP Toolkit : XMP Core 4.4.0
- White Balance : Auto
- ISO Speed Rating : 100
- Exposure Compensation : 0
- GPS Altitude Ref : Above Sea Level
- GPS Status : Measurement Active
- Rating : 0
---- IPTC ----
0 Application Record Version : 2
60 Time Created : 10:10:53
55 Date Created : 2011:11:06
---- ICC_Profile ----
4 Profile CMM Type : lcms
8 Profile Version : 2.1.0
12 Profile Class : Display Device Profile
16 Color Space Data : RGB
20 Profile Connection Space : XYZ
24 Profile Date Time : 1998:12:01 18:58:21
36 Profile File Signature : acsp
40 Primary Platform : Microsoft Corporation
44 CMM Flags : Not Embedded, Independent
48 Device Manufacturer : KODA
52 Device Model : ROMM
56 Device Attributes : Reflective, Glossy, Positive, Color
64 Rendering Intent : Perceptual
68 Connection Space Illuminant : 0.9642 1 0.82491
80 Profile Creator : lcms
84 Profile ID : 0
- Profile Copyright : Copyright (c) Eastman Kodak Company, 1999, all rights reserved.
- Profile Description : Kodak ProPhoto RGB
- Media White Point : 0.9642 1 0.82489
- Red Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
- Green Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
- Blue Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
- Red Matrix Column : 0.79767 0.28804 0
- Green Matrix Column : 0.13519 0.71188 0
- Blue Matrix Column : 0.03134 9e-005 0.82491
- Device Mfg Desc : KODAK
- Device Model Desc : Reference Output Medium Metric(ROMM)
- Make And Model : (Binary data 40 bytes, use -b option to extract)
- Calibration Date Time : 2002:06:26 00:00:00
---- Composite ----
- Aperture : 5.0
- Date/Time Created : 2011:11:06 10:10:53
- Flash : No Flash
- Image Size : 3648x2738
- Scale Factor To 35 mm Equivalent: 4.7
- Shutter Speed : 124
- Circle Of Confusion : 0.006 mm
- Field Of View : 32.9 deg
- Focal Length : 13.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 61.0 mm)
- Hyperfocal Distance : 5.28 m
- Light Value : -2.3

[afx]

Yup, the alpha channel is a problem...

So how about the exiftool output for the JPGs?

cheers
afx

[nyukuri]

lol, with the jpeg that's a case for it's own!!!!

ASP generates an sRGB JPEG and TOPAZ edits it, so far so good.
but what TOPAZ saves back is a TIFF file, just with the now wrong extension "jpg".
exiftool shows clearly that it is a TIFF, with alpha channel, and the size (MB) of the file confirms it!

so of course ASP can't open this file either

------------
EDIT:

now in TOPAZ I "saved as" the file, specifying that it should be saved as a JPEG - and this time it is a real jpeg, that can be opened with ASP. So TOPAZ has a bug, that JPEG files are automatically saved as TIFF, but keeping the jpeg extension!