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[John123]

Your first mistake is to run AS as admin. A recipe for disaster.
Never ever run apps as admin!!

Why? If this is Windows Vista or Windows 7 than there is nothing wrong with running a program in that mode. Many wont run at all without being in that mode.

[afx]

Never ever run apps as admin!!

Why? If this is Windows Vista or Windows 7 than there is nothing wrong with running a program in that mode. Many wont run at all without being in that mode.

Any end user application that will not run as a regular user is broken by design.
Just because programmers have zero clue about security does not mean one should accept all crap that they throw at you.
The whole Windows Virus Scene would have barely existed without that blunder.

cheers
afx

[John123]

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922708 There MS does not say that Run As Administrator should never be done. In fact it says that it can be done on trusted programs. I assume that ASP can be considered a trusted program.
At least lets us hope so.

[afx]

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922708 There MS does not say that Run As Administrator should never be done. In fact it says that it can be done on trusted programs. I assume that ASP can be considered a trusted program.
At least lets us hope so.

Since when does MS know about Security?
They are the ones that started this horrible mess in Windows NT times.
Ignoring basic security rules is bad practice.
Attitudes like yours just prolong the problem.

cheers
afx

[John123]

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922708 There MS does not say that Run As Administrator should never be done. In fact it says that it can be done on trusted programs. I assume that ASP can be considered a trusted program.
At least lets us hope so.

Since when does MS know about Security?
They are the ones that started this horrible mess in Windows NT times.
Ignoring basic security rules is bad practice.
Attitudes like yours just prolong the problem.

cheers
afx

Attitudes like mine? I am simply being accurate in what I decimate to others. And its based on actual fact not an opinion.

You may somehow not respect MS or the many people that program there but that should not interfere with the advice you offer. The fact is and can not be disputed that under Windows some major programs have the need to access things that under UAC they can't without being give permission to do so. Telling people that it should never be done is tantamount to precluding the use of Windows for many important programs.

Bias and opinion has no business being part of any advice given on any developers forum.

[grubernd]

The fact is and can not be disputed that under Windows some major programs have the need to access things that under UAC they can't without being give permission to do so.

"now there's your problem!" (Adam Savage, Mythbusters)

those major programs should have never been allowed to do that at all. exactly what afx said.. keeping your front-door unlocked was common practice in the cave-days of humanity, but i bet already then things were stolen. if there is a weakness, it will be exploited, period.

Telling people that it should never be done is tantamount to precluding the use of Windows for many important programs.
Bias and opinion has no business being part of any advice given on any developers forum.

by continuing with bad practice .. "who needs a lock? heck, what's a front door for anyway?" .. you insist on manifesting a problem that never should have been there in the first place.

[John123]

The fact is and can not be disputed that under Windows some major programs have the need to access things that under UAC they can't without being give permission to do so.

"now there's your problem!" (Adam Savage, Mythbusters)

those major programs should have never been allowed to do that at all. exactly what afx said.. keeping your front-door unlocked was common practice in the cave-days of humanity, but i bet already then things were stolen. if there is a weakness, it will be exploited, period.

Telling people that it should never be done is tantamount to precluding the use of Windows for many important programs.
Bias and opinion has no business being part of any advice given on any developers forum.

by continuing with bad practice .. "who needs a lock? heck, what's a front door for anyway?" .. you insist on manifesting a problem that never should have been there in the first place.

Right! You are right but being right wont get those programs running.

Further how is the system at risk if the user is given the option to allow or not access or permissions. It does not unlock ones system. Its merely a safeguard.

[afx]

Attitudes like mine? I am simply being accurate in what I decimate to others. And its based on actual fact not an opinion.

What facts? That Microsoft makes an unsound statement?
(Now link that with other ...trusted... app like Adobes CS and the nice little TIFF handling security hole that went through the news a few days ago...)

If you want facts, join a college class on security and learn the basics.
Your cavalier attitude towards admin privileges is what has been the problem in the MS world for ages. Now that MS finally starts to enforce the security model maybe you should wake up.

You may somehow not respect MS or the many people that program there but that should not interfere with the advice you offer.

This is not about MS but sloppy attitudes of users accepting crap from vendors.

The fact is and can not be disputed that under Windows some major programs have the need to access things that under UAC they can't without being give permission to do so.

The fact is, those programs are broken. The only reason they are kept in that state is users accepting that mess instead of telling vendors to clean up. There was no technical sound reason to run apps as admin on any MS OS for at least 10 years. Microsoft has provided the concept of system services and proper user handling already in the last century.

Telling people that it should never be done is tantamount to precluding the use of Windows for many important programs.

No it is telling user to finally demand something decent from their vendors.
And, in addition, using a few brain cells to set up an appropriate permission system around the app could be even done by the end users. After all, current MS operating systems allow a very fine granularity of access control.

Bias and opinion has no business being part of any advice given on any developers forum.

Then leave yours at home and learn security and security history, I suggest starting with "Elementary Information Security" by Richard E. Smith.

cheers
afx

[John123]

Attitudes like mine? I am simply being accurate in what I decimate to others. And its based on actual fact not an opinion.

What facts? That Microsoft makes an unsound statement?
(Now link that with other ...trusted... app like Adobes CS and the nice little TIFF handling security hole that went through the news a few days ago...)

If you want facts, join a college class on security and learn the basics.
Your cavalier attitude towards admin privileges is what has been the problem in the MS world for ages. Now that MS finally starts to enforce the security model maybe you should wake up.

You may somehow not respect MS or the many people that program there but that should not interfere with the advice you offer.

This is not about MS but sloppy attitudes of users accepting crap from vendors.

The fact is and can not be disputed that under Windows some major programs have the need to access things that under UAC they can't without being give permission to do so.

The fact is, those programs are broken. The only reason they are kept in that state is users accepting that mess instead of telling vendors to clean up. There was no technical sound reason to run apps as admin on any MS OS for at least 10 years. Microsoft has provided the concept of system services and proper user handling already in the last century.

Telling people that it should never be done is tantamount to precluding the use of Windows for many important programs.

No it is telling user to finally demand something decent from their vendors.
And, in addition, using a few brain cells to set up an appropriate permission system around the app could be even done by the end users. After all, current MS operating systems allow a very fine granularity of access control.

Bias and opinion has no business being part of any advice given on any developers forum.

Then leave yours at home and learn security and security history, I suggest starting with "Elementary Information Security" by Richard E. Smith.

cheers
afx

Adobe CSxx does not need to run as administrator to work. The trusted app notification is to help the user identify apps that might install programs that the user does not agree to or know about. They are two different things.

Whats more to the point is that as said whether you like this fact or not some programs have to have that level of permissions to run. Telling a user to never invoke that is simply wrong. It really doesn't matter what you think about it. It doesn't matter whether its poor security it only matters that in many cases it has to be done.

Because I haven't had any problems with Windows in this regard. It is not me that needs to tell MS to change this, (I'm not upset about it) its for you to write them and let them know what you think about it.

[afx]

Adobe CSxx does not need to run as administrator to work. The trusted app notification is to help the user identify apps that might install programs that the user does not agree to or know about. They are two different things.

You have missed the point....
According to your logic CS could be run with admin privileges.

You should not argue about security when you do not understand even the simplest examples.
Again, read the book I referenced, learn.

cheers
afx

[Mel]

A friendly reminder:

This is Corel ASP forum

-- M.

[John123]

Adobe CSxx does not need to run as administrator to work. The trusted app notification is to help the user identify apps that might install programs that the user does not agree to or know about. They are two different things.

You have missed the point....
According to your logic CS could be run with admin privileges.

You should not argue about security when you do not understand even the simplest examples.
Again, read the book I referenced, learn.

cheers
afx

First, I am not arguing about security, you are. I'm stating a fact that some programs require added privileges to run under Vista and Windows 7. Whether its good or bad has absolutely nothing to do with it. It is what it is. Its a fact.