AS I mentioned before, Ulead creates a configuration file that points to the location of the Installed Files, these *.CFG files are in Binary and can not be changed. You can get rid of 6 megs by not installing GIF Animator.
If you try to move the Ulead.DAT folder to another location, which contains all of the Galleries and Libraries, PI 10 will croak. When you try to Open PI 10 it will try to access the Internet to download the missing files, for Version PI 6. It you refuse it will then create a New Ulead.DAT with the previous files freshly installed.
It is true that you can create new Galleries and Libraries and put them in another folder or different drive, this does not change the original 78 megs installed. That which was installed in General can not be moved. You’re free to try any creative combination you might think of in the off chance you will succeed
Otherwise you will have to use the Disc as access for needed files, meaning leave the disc in the drive before PI Opens.
User Profile in Windows XP
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martike
Yes, life can get complicated.
Masami, it's not that I can't afford 78Mb on my local drive. The problem is that my profile (Documents and Settings) is backed up every night and it's on the target machine for this backup that space is restricted. About 25.000 users have their profiles backed up in this way, and so a limit has been placed on profile size. Normally the limit is reasonable and gives no problems if it's only used (as Heinz-Oz says it should be) for Windows stuff, but when specific applications start to use profile space for their own purposes, then a reasonably sized profile suddenly gets very large. PI blows it for me every time.
Incidentally, Dreamweaver is another offender, and in some ways it's worse because it never does any housekeeping. The space it uses in Documents and Settings just gets bigger and bigger, and even information on websites you deleted long ago is still carefully stored there.
I really don't see why these applications want to use Documents and Settings for this purpose. As long as their stuff is safely stored somewhere, what does it matter where ? So why not, at installation time, or via preferences, simply ask where you want the stuff placed ?
Keenart has understood this, and tried to help, but it seems an unalterable fact that PI insists that you put this stuff in Documents and Settings, or you don't put it anywhere at all and you have to do without it.
Heinz-Oz has said that he has a solution, but seems reticent to say how he did it, so I have two further questions :
1. You say "In PI, I set my preferences to look into this particular folder", but I can't find anywhere in the PI preferences where this can be done, so can you be more specific ?
2. Assuming this can be done, does it mean that it's additional to the Documents and Settings stuff, which is still there ? Or is it really instead of ?
Like life, it's getting even more complicated. Who'd have thought that such a simple question would go this far ?
Masami, it's not that I can't afford 78Mb on my local drive. The problem is that my profile (Documents and Settings) is backed up every night and it's on the target machine for this backup that space is restricted. About 25.000 users have their profiles backed up in this way, and so a limit has been placed on profile size. Normally the limit is reasonable and gives no problems if it's only used (as Heinz-Oz says it should be) for Windows stuff, but when specific applications start to use profile space for their own purposes, then a reasonably sized profile suddenly gets very large. PI blows it for me every time.
Incidentally, Dreamweaver is another offender, and in some ways it's worse because it never does any housekeeping. The space it uses in Documents and Settings just gets bigger and bigger, and even information on websites you deleted long ago is still carefully stored there.
I really don't see why these applications want to use Documents and Settings for this purpose. As long as their stuff is safely stored somewhere, what does it matter where ? So why not, at installation time, or via preferences, simply ask where you want the stuff placed ?
Keenart has understood this, and tried to help, but it seems an unalterable fact that PI insists that you put this stuff in Documents and Settings, or you don't put it anywhere at all and you have to do without it.
Heinz-Oz has said that he has a solution, but seems reticent to say how he did it, so I have two further questions :
1. You say "In PI, I set my preferences to look into this particular folder", but I can't find anywhere in the PI preferences where this can be done, so can you be more specific ?
2. Assuming this can be done, does it mean that it's additional to the Documents and Settings stuff, which is still there ? Or is it really instead of ?
Like life, it's getting even more complicated. Who'd have thought that such a simple question would go this far ?
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keenart
To complicate your life further:
It has been sometime since I installed or uninstalled PI, but isn’t there a feature during installation that allows you to Install Ulead with the following Options:
Typical
Compact, minimal installation (have no idea what this feature installs)
Custom
I wonder if you could contact Ulead and ask them if the Compact mode allows you to work from the Disc as your file base, and therefore could you put the Presets in a different location since they were not installed. Or are they run from the Installation Disc?
Just another thought!
It has been sometime since I installed or uninstalled PI, but isn’t there a feature during installation that allows you to Install Ulead with the following Options:
Typical
Compact, minimal installation (have no idea what this feature installs)
Custom
I wonder if you could contact Ulead and ask them if the Compact mode allows you to work from the Disc as your file base, and therefore could you put the Presets in a different location since they were not installed. Or are they run from the Installation Disc?
Just another thought!
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heinz-oz
After reading on here, something that keenart said made sense also. Because I do not have your problem with the size of the Documents and Settings folder in Windows, I simply assumed that you were getting oversize in this area because of presets you created etc. These can be stored in a different folder. In preferences you can stipulate where PI is looking for plugins etc. In my case, the standard stuff that comes with PI is still in the default area "Documents and Settings" as you can see below. You can, however, point PI to a different location for the standard plugins etc also.
For my own creations of presets, shapes, filters, tasks etc I have created a folder outside this. On my laptop it is on C:\Filters, on my PC it's on a different drive altogether.
For my own creations of presets, shapes, filters, tasks etc I have created a folder outside this. On my laptop it is on C:\Filters, on my PC it's on a different drive altogether.
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sm8ps
PhotoImpact Profile Size, Ulead.dat & Documents and Sett
Hello folks
I have been struck by exactly the problem Martike described. I supervise a network where 400 users have their (roaming) profile saved/restored upon every logoff/logon procedure. You can imagine the overhead in time and disk space that PI causes by writing an outrageous 25MB into 'Documents and Settings\...\Ulead.dat\'.
Meanwhile, I have figure out some way of reducing that darn 'Ulead.dat' folder. The idea is simple, once one understands how the galleries etc. are organized. There are two modes in which such an object (.SMP, .UFO) may be integrated into your workspace: The files may be
a) physically embedded into your profile ('Doc and Settings\etc.') or
b) logically linked from the 'C:\Program Files\etc.' folder.
Clearly, case a) causes the overhead. The advantage here is that every user may change the objects at will. (However, as you shall see later on, the standard setting for the objects is 'write protected'. Thus mode a) does not really make sense.) In mode b), the users save their changes into 'My Gallery' or create some more of their own.
What I wanted is to have a mix: The pre-installed galleries etc. should be logically linked and write protected. 'My Gallery' and such should be physically embedded and not write protected.
Here is how you go about it: (I use the German version, so some items may be called differently in yours. Though, you will figure it out for sure.)
0.) Open the "trick box" (F2) containing the galleries and archives.
1.) Turn off write protection (right-click) for all galleries except for 'My Gallery'.
2.) Delete all galleris except for 'My Gallery'.
3.) Import the galleries anew from 'C:\Program Files\Ulead Systems\Ulead PhotoImpact 7\Ulead.dat\'.
IMPORTANT: If you have the choice (*), select the option 'Open as new gallery' (do not select 'Embed gallery file'!. This is what makes all the difference.)
4.) Turn on write protection (right-click) for the imported galleries.
(*) As far as I understand, this option is offered if an embedded ("local") gallery is selected when importing a new one. Otherwise, this selection is set as a standard. So don't worry about it, unless you have to. (:
Voilà! The profile size has shrunk from 25MB to 1.2MB. Isn't that great? To be fair to Ulead's honor, one has to say that it all has been layed out well. Only the standard implementation does not exploit the features well.
Cheers!
Stefan Müller
(I accept cash, money orders or wire transfer.
I have been struck by exactly the problem Martike described. I supervise a network where 400 users have their (roaming) profile saved/restored upon every logoff/logon procedure. You can imagine the overhead in time and disk space that PI causes by writing an outrageous 25MB into 'Documents and Settings\...\Ulead.dat\'.
Meanwhile, I have figure out some way of reducing that darn 'Ulead.dat' folder. The idea is simple, once one understands how the galleries etc. are organized. There are two modes in which such an object (.SMP, .UFO) may be integrated into your workspace: The files may be
a) physically embedded into your profile ('Doc and Settings\etc.') or
b) logically linked from the 'C:\Program Files\etc.' folder.
Clearly, case a) causes the overhead. The advantage here is that every user may change the objects at will. (However, as you shall see later on, the standard setting for the objects is 'write protected'. Thus mode a) does not really make sense.) In mode b), the users save their changes into 'My Gallery' or create some more of their own.
What I wanted is to have a mix: The pre-installed galleries etc. should be logically linked and write protected. 'My Gallery' and such should be physically embedded and not write protected.
Here is how you go about it: (I use the German version, so some items may be called differently in yours. Though, you will figure it out for sure.)
0.) Open the "trick box" (F2) containing the galleries and archives.
1.) Turn off write protection (right-click) for all galleries except for 'My Gallery'.
2.) Delete all galleris except for 'My Gallery'.
3.) Import the galleries anew from 'C:\Program Files\Ulead Systems\Ulead PhotoImpact 7\Ulead.dat\'.
IMPORTANT: If you have the choice (*), select the option 'Open as new gallery' (do not select 'Embed gallery file'!. This is what makes all the difference.)
4.) Turn on write protection (right-click) for the imported galleries.
(*) As far as I understand, this option is offered if an embedded ("local") gallery is selected when importing a new one. Otherwise, this selection is set as a standard. So don't worry about it, unless you have to. (:
Voilà! The profile size has shrunk from 25MB to 1.2MB. Isn't that great? To be fair to Ulead's honor, one has to say that it all has been layed out well. Only the standard implementation does not exploit the features well.
Cheers!
Stefan Müller
(I accept cash, money orders or wire transfer.