We all have thousands of photos from b5 and b4. What are you going to do with them? I’ve seen responses that say they will keep using b5 for the old ones and use asp for new stuff. That was my plan also until i came across a new problem (to me) in b5.
It is never going to be repaired (as are any of its problems) and calls into question all my previous hard work. I was making jpegs from tiffs using either pixie or pixeldust (both of which i miss. does raw noise work on tiffs - i think not) to reduce some flash ugliness. Maybe this wasn’t happening with raws but when I bounced to jpeg those plugins were not incorporated in the output. See example. Many things were broken in b5 but we hoped they would be fixed. Now there’s no chance of that and since asp can’t use the xmps, what to do?
Are you going to redo your 10,000 pix in asp? Ignore b5 pink hilights and incorrect output and keep what you’ve got? Even if you only want 500 of those are you doing them again? It’s like remixing an album months or years later. You don’t remember what you did and the new tools can’t get all of that old sound you were already happy with. It may be better in some ways but you had already finished and moved on - and the new version didn’t wipe out all your automation and plugins from the last version. People would be (and are) unhappy. Redoing work is always depressing. Much needs doing before going backwards.
Most audio programs can translate their previous versions and even a lot of mix info from competitors. I realize pictures are much more complicated than audio but why can’t a translator be built between b5 and asp color engines ala performer to protools? Without one i see a long, painful period of using two versions of our software with less than satisfactory results from one of them. Asp won’t even distinguish between b5's and its own xmp and happily overwrites it. Software usually breaks with a major os update but breaking versionally is bad. This is more or less a new version and not a new program, even though it has a new name.
B5 is making jpegs (and tiffs) from tiffs (yes, it’s a raw converter) that are color shifted, more sharpened than the raw (no output sharpen applied) and failing to include some plugins (found 2 so far). I expect the output to be nearly indistinguishable from input. I only really noticed this when starting to process all my old pre-digital tiffs. I waited a long time for that ability since b4 couldn’t.
Related - why can’t asp, like b5 should have, buy and incorporate all the plugins so there is continuity? A main reason for me not using asp is because there is no gradfilter. It, alone, saved thousands of pix. Please attend to the b5 users before the new ones. At least, it no longer has that dumb name.
Not related - no way to load an avatar from my drive. Why has the file upload size been so limited? Please use the old forum structure.
I tried to have double spaces between sentences but both forums and both programs refuse and rewrite what i wrote. An output from a file named ab**01 becomes ab*01. ← I did put 2 spaces after ab. If my computer can't handle that, let me worry about it. Don't presume to rename my files.
So, what are your plans?
right b5 with reduced sparkles in hair, gtr strings and on baffle behind. left b5 w/sparks, neutral grey tone shirt shifted slightly red. bluejean blue?
looks even worse inside b5.
what are you going to do with your 10,000?
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what are you going to do with your 10,000?
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Re: what are you going to do with your 10,000?
Why would you redo your 10.000 of photos? Will you show them, print them, view them all at once again?
If I want to use an old picture, I'd go through the whole process again. Of course it depends if you work with your photos professionally or if you do it as a hobby
If I want to use an old picture, I'd go through the whole process again. Of course it depends if you work with your photos professionally or if you do it as a hobby
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Re: what are you going to do with your 10,000?
actually, i want to leave them all in the best shape possible for lots of reasons. of course, i'm not going to do them all. but there are thousands i consider worthwhile since b4. i have several other programs i've used for years. but b5/asp was closest to all in one and gave the better rendition. if aperture would put in lens correction i'd be using it a lot more.
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Re: what are you going to do with your 10,000?
In Valery Landon's french language forum, there are people testing a B5 to ASP conversion script, the purpose of which is to allow us to bring over all our old XMP files. If this would interest you (I am unsure whether it will address B4 photos), PM me and I shall put you in touch with the developer.
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Re: what are you going to do with your 10,000?
I'm keeping everything just like it is. What images I've done in the past are stored as a Raw and a Tiff. I really don't count on any proprietary XMP file to be useful in the future.
Bibble to ASP is a great example. I'll be using ASP as a Raw developer and use it's 'Non Destructive' editing where needed. I won't count on it working 5 to 10 years down the road.
By keeping my original Raw and a saved Tiff I can 'Play' with new processors as they become available and see if there are any improvements in Image quality. Only other thing I can mention is find a Good cataloger and stay with it and keep it updated. ASP is ok for a catalog, there are others much better.
Bibble to ASP is a great example. I'll be using ASP as a Raw developer and use it's 'Non Destructive' editing where needed. I won't count on it working 5 to 10 years down the road.
By keeping my original Raw and a saved Tiff I can 'Play' with new processors as they become available and see if there are any improvements in Image quality. Only other thing I can mention is find a Good cataloger and stay with it and keep it updated. ASP is ok for a catalog, there are others much better.
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Re: what are you going to do with your 10,000?
My initial thought was the same as Frank's. Why redo them all? I have far more than 10,000 images processed over now 3 versions of Bibble/ASP. I do not expect any of the old processing instructions to be of any use with the latest version as there have been so many changes and new features added over time. If I needed to revisit & reprocess an image, I would simply start over; I would think with new capability that better results could be arrived at--at least in theory. The other part of this is my aethetic and experience has changed since the last time I worked an image, so I would probably want to start from scratch anyway.
Bibble transplant
