New Cameras? Fuji X100, Canon EOS-1d X

[claudermilk]

... and the Canon Eos-1D X (Which I have on order)...

Slightly OT, but I was not aware of this new model. Wow, I am so jealous. Sounds like a beast.

[teknisyan]

I really do not have any info on how the raw file support works on ASP but the best to notify corel regarding raw file support is to submit a sample raw file, you can just visit http://aftershotpro.com/AfterShotUploader/ to send you raw file support.

This will certainly help us (developers).

[KeithR]

there is an ongoing beta test program and yes we are all under NDA so cannot say what is in or out of test.

And I can't tell you how depressing it is to find that the same beta testers that signed off on the mess that was Bibble 5 are now testing ASP.

Clearly the beta testers either don't see, can't find, or simply aren't interested in, the problems that have been reported for years by end users: and Canon end users, in particular - you and AFX are both Nikon shooters, and as I said a while ago on the Bibble board, I have zero confidence that my interests, and those of the many people who have raised issues similar to the ones I've reported, are represented in any way by the beta testers.

[oldmaven]

No sign yet of an ASP codec for Canon PowerShot S100 RAW, which came out a few months ago--but Irfanview (a less powerful program, but free) already has it.

Maybe worse is that ASP does not even recognize the presence of these .CR2 files (or movie files of any kind)--it's nice to know they're there, so you can switch to other programs for them. If Corel/Bibble can't engineer a codec for a new camera yet, perhaps there could be an option to recognize the image is there (maybe show a thumbnail, even?) and right-click for a menu option to switch temporarily to the software that came with the camera.

[claudermilk]

there is an ongoing beta test program and yes we are all under NDA so cannot say what is in or out of test.

And I can't tell you how depressing it is to find that the same beta testers that signed off on the mess that was Bibble 5 are now testing ASP.

Clearly the beta testers either don't see, can't find, or simply aren't interested in, the problems that have been reported for years by end users: and Canon end users, in particular - you and AFX are both Nikon shooters, and as I said a while ago on the Bibble board, I have zero confidence that my interests, and those of the many people who have raised issues similar to the ones I've reported, are represented in any way by the beta testers.

That's not really fair. Beta testers can only find & report on problems. It is up to the developers to act upon those reports. There are times when the beta testers all clamor for a change or fix & are universally ignored.

[tomsi42]

Clearly the beta testers either don't see, can't find, or simply aren't interested in, the problems that have been reported for years by end users: and Canon end users, in particular - you and AFX are both Nikon shooters, and as I said a while ago on the Bibble board, I have zero confidence that my interests, and those of the many people who have raised issues similar to the ones I've reported, are represented in any way by the beta testers.

From what I have seen on the Bibble forum and here, the beta testers have reported many of the same issues too. So I think you are simply rude to imply that they are a part of the problem.

Instead they try to lessen the problem by suggesting workarounds, showing us where we can report bugs, and so on.

Why waste time spouting out your frustrations on these bulletin boards if you have given up Bibble/Aftershot. Move on and find something that works for you.

[MTF]

Why waste time spouting out your frustrations on these bulletin boards if you have given up Bibble/Aftershot. Move on and find something that works for you.

Whoa ... whoa ... whoa .... let's all take a deep breath ......

This started out as a request for what cameras are being included in the next update.

I too could wail on about ASP's shortcomings or go on and on about what I like.

I currently use ASP with my EOS 1D's and though not perfect (What is) it's my software of choice.

My latest camera Fuji X100 and my soon to arrive EOS-1d x are another matter .........

We can argue about the shortcomings and great advantages of ASP ad neaseum.

The point is if the software doesn't keep pace with the new cameras releases ....... it's of no use to anyone.

Anybody out there using their new cameras to shoot JPG's so they can continue to use ASP????? ..... I highly doubt it ... I won't ......

Regards

Mike

[jknights]

there is an ongoing beta test program and yes we are all under NDA so cannot say what is in or out of test.

And I can't tell you how depressing it is to find that the same beta testers that signed off on the mess that was Bibble 5 are now testing ASP.

Clearly the beta testers either don't see, can't find, or simply aren't interested in, the problems that have been reported for years by end users: and Canon end users, in particular - you and AFX are both Nikon shooters, and as I said a while ago on the Bibble board, I have zero confidence that my interests, and those of the many people who have raised issues similar to the ones I've reported, are represented in any way by the beta testers.

Keith,
A beta tester is not a......
release manager (decides when the release of code goes public),
test manager, (manages the testing and bug reporting process but does not decide priority of fixing)
development coder. (writes code and tests his code against his small test data set to ensure some level of working!!).

A beta tester is meant to test code in a 'real use' manner or against the software specification (Detailed System Design (DSD) document) using previously agreed test cases/scenarios.
Sorry if I am teaching you stuff you know.

Since I have worked in the past as an IT project manager, systems architect and test manager I can assure you that I test and I'm sure others do as well, as stringently as possible. However we do not see the DSD so we do (IMHO) a less formal test process. BTW, I have asked for a DSD but this is not for non-employees!

The flavour of the camera makes little difference to the actual test process but may impact the final visualisation regarding the image rendering as this is image profile specific which is why the beta test group has people who have a wide range of cameras. I use Nikon and Fuji, others use Pentax, Canon, Olympus, AFAIK.

We find many bugs and some have been open for a while. We dont get a say as to, what gets fixed, when or if a release goes out!.

If I was in charge of Bibble/ASP development there would be differences in the product (they would suit my view of a photographers world) but I cant say the product would be any better than the current one you are using, only different.

I dont understand the specifics of your problem that you mention in the topic that you point to.
If it is about lack of communication about the current state of play then I think that you have a valid point but good communication costs time and energy and usually means that the project needs extra staff, this is something that Bibble did not have funding for but hopefully Corel will address. I dont think that a non-employee can do this job as the person needs to be aware of company commercial situations that have impacts on the time and way information is communicated.

The opinions expressed here are my opinion only and dont represent any corporate speak or weasel words so often prevalent. I do not get funded by Bibble/Corel and I test the product as I have the time and energy to do so. I also use Capture Pro v6.3.4, Photoshop CS5 and LightRoom4 but ASP is my main RAW processor however just like chemicals, not all RAW processor suit all cameras digital output same as not all films worked the same in all chemical developers it did depend on the photographer.

[jknights]

My latest camera Fuji X100 and my soon to arrive EOS-1d x are another matter .........

We can argue about the shortcomings and great advantages of ASP ad neaseum.

The point is if the software doesn't keep pace with the new cameras releases ....... it's of no use to anyone.

Anybody out there using their new cameras to shoot JPG's so they can continue to use ASP????? ..... I highly doubt it ... I won't ......

Regards

Mike

Agree Mike.
I hope we can/will soon see a change is the Bibble/ASP RAW support model and a return to the old situation where the software was updated as soon as a new camera became available or within a week or two of it hitting the market. In fact I can remember working with Eric Hyman trying to get the RAW support out on the D200 (I think) so we had it before Adobe Photoshop released their ACR upgrade. Unfortunately it seems that Nikon give Adobe early insider info so they can get ahead of the others! I actually support OpenRAW and believe that the manufacturers should be made to lodge the layout and format of their CCD before being allowed to sell it. (Yes contentious).

I have an X100 as well and enjoy it immensely. I hope to get a XPro1 as this suits my needs even better but I am hugely worried about RAW support for it because of the new custom (non-Bayer) CCD layout.

I hope to get a D800 in the next month but I also need to wait to see about RAW support for that before committing to purchase as I dont want to be left hanging as I have been with the X100 (until I purchased Capture Pro)

[rjforster]

Like several here I have a new camera that isn't supported by ASP. Nor is my Canon G1X supported by dcraw according to the list of cameras on the website.
However the latest version[1] can make sense of the G1X's raw output so it is obviously suffiently similar to a format used in other cameras.

Actually using dcraw properly is another matter though. I don't understand the various options well enough to know what to change and why. So I arrive at reasonable (but never 'great') outputs only after a lot of experimentation and a long time.

For now I'm a) cursing that I didn't save as RAW+JPEG and b) making do with using the 1600x1200 jpg "thumbnails" that dcraw can extract from the CR2 files (some of which look awesome).

Cheers

[1] v9.12 at time of writing from 2011-11-26

[RickHeath]

In case you haven't seen it, this has just appeared on Facebook.

Hi all! Just wanted to give you all an update on what the team is working on. Later next month we'll be releasing a service update that will include, among other things, support for more than a dozen new cameras. We'll share more details as we get them!

[Zarastro]

Like several here I have a new camera that isn't supported by ASP. Nor is my Canon G1X supported by dcraw according to the list of cameras on the website.
However the latest version[1] can make sense of the G1X's raw output so it is obviously suffiently similar to a format used in other cameras.

Actually using dcraw properly is another matter though. I don't understand the various options well enough to know what to change and why. So I arrive at reasonable (but never 'great') outputs only after a lot of experimentation and a long time.

DCRaw has a number of front-ends available that will ease its utilization. UFRaw supports both Mac and Windows (besides Linux); RawTherapee supports the same OS's that UFRaw supports, and both run DCRaw 9.12.

[KeithR]

RawTherapee supports the same OS's that UFRaw supports, and both run DCRaw 9.12.

RawTherapee is not a "front-end for DCRaw" any more than, say, ACDSee is.

RT is a hugely capable Raw converter in its own right, and a damn' sight better than ASP in a number of important ways. Apart from using DCRaw in its Raw loading engine, everything else it does - including stuff like demosaicing and highlight recovery - is entirely RT code.