Very poor rendering quality for HD files in VS X4

[lata]

Hi Flashclicker

Avi is just a wrapper, a container there are approximately 800 variations.

If you go to Share Create Video File Custom and select Save as Type --Avi
Choose the options button, Avi tab then select the Compression drop down panel.
You will see a list of AVI compressions that are available using Video Studio, I see 20.
What you see depends on other codecs you have installed on your pc.

If you wish to create a M2ts file then:-
Share Create Video File there are several HD templates for AVCHD and Bluray which may be suitable.

Choosing the Custom option select Save as Type to be MPEG Transport-Stream Files.
The options button will allow you to customise this template.

Once you are satisfied with your settings try the Make Movie Templates Manager to create your own template, similar in using the custom option. Your template will be available adjacent to the Custom option.

[woxof]

Try putting your examples on YouTube so people don't have to join yet another file sharing site to help you out, Please.

[Flashclicker]

@ lata:

Thank you for your reply, but I already tried a lot of settings that come with videostudio. Export / Render as *.avi or as *m2ts - All things i tried results either to a very bad pixelated image or a non-smooth motion as if the framerate goes down. It doesn´t matter if I used presets by Corel or if i make my own preset with the manager tool...

So at least I wanna use another installed encoder like ffdshow or x265vfw integrated into videostudio. But I need good settings to keep the original sony input file as close to the output file. Videostudio works fine as long you do not need any filters, effects, etc. [mentioned before] , but if you work with effects, etc. , the video output isn´t great and not satisfying

[lata]

Hi

Give us the properties of your original video files, then using Video Studio render them to a new video file. Tell us what template you are using.
Now give us the properties of the new video file, they should be similar if not identical

Right click each video clip in the timeline and select properties, what are they?

[Flashclicker]

EDIT DONE WITH PROPERTIES OF THE OUTPUT CLIPS IN ALL 5 TRIES:
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Thank you for help me .... just please read my first post here in this topic on side 3
I´ve uploaded an example clip there

I´ve got two problems with clips:
1st: The quality of the video is not good
2nd: It seems to get a lower framerate if something is changed to the clip, i.e. filters, fx, text, etc.

The clip was done with a sony camcorder hdr-cx 130 in highest quality mode 1080i

ORIGINAL SONY CLIP:
File: *m2ts
File-Format: PAL HDMW
Videotype: H.264-Video, Upper Field First
24 Bit, 1920 x 1080, 16:9
Framerate: 25,000 Pic/sec
Videorate: variable (max. 21999kbps)
Audio: Dolby Digital
48.000 Hz
Bitrate: 256 kbps

The rendering issue with the lower framerate I solved and described them on page 4, but the picture quality itself lost quality ... lots of artefacts there and this is the only problem I have with the programm....

Maybe you can take a look at my example clip ??

I can describe you some results I´ve got what happens if I put the original *m2ts file into my project.

1st try:
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- Original file Sony *m2ts put into project, NO changes were made to the clip
- Output is set to: "Same as first Clip"
Result: everything is fine like described above, no artefacts, framerate is smooth, but it's *mpg video now

Output-File properties:
File: *mpg
File Format: PAL HDMV
Videotype: H.264-Video, Upper Field First
24-Bit, 1920 x 1080, 16:9
Framerate: 25,000 Pic/Sec
Videorate: variable (max. 21999kbps)
Audio: Dolby Digital
48.000 Hz
Bitrate: 256 kbps



2nd try:
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- Original SONY *m2ts file put into the project, add some text to the clip
- Output is : "Same as first clip"
Result: no artefacts, picture is smooth, BUT ONLY at the non-touched parts of the video. When the text appears the framerate seems to go down
and there are still artefacts in the clip. When the text disappears, everything is smooth again and no artefacts after the end of the text. Also the video is again *mpg format

Output-File properties:
File: *mpg
File Format: PAL HDMV
Videotype: H.264-Video, Upper Field First
24-Bit, 1920 x 1080, 16:9
Framerate: 25,000 Pic/Sec
Videorate: variable (max. 21999kbps)
Audio: Dolby Digital
48.000 Hz
Bitrate: 256 kbps



3rd try:
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- I put the good rendered result *mpg clip from 1st try above into the timeline and add some text to the clip
- Output is: "Same as first clip"
Result: The same as it is like in the 2nd try - not good !

Output-File properties:
File: *mpg
File Format: PAL HDMV
Videotype: H.264-Video, Upper Field First
24-Bit, 1920 x 1080, 16:9
Framerate: 25,000 Pic/Sec
Videorate: variable (max. 21999kbps)
Audio: Dolby Digital
48.000 Hz
Bitrate: 256 kbps



4th try:
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- Now I put the original Sony file again into the project *m2ts, No changes to the video
- Output is: Corel Videostudio Preset BluRay 1920x1080
- Result: Perfect smooth framerates, but small artefacts and bad colours through the complete clip - output is *m2ts file

Output-File properties:
File: *.m2t
File Format: PAL HDMV
Videotype: MPEG-2 Video, Upper Filed First
24-Bit, 1920 x 1080, 6:9
Framerate: 25.000Pic/Sec
Videorate: Varianle (Max. 35000kbps)
Audio: Dolby Digital
48.000 Hz
Bitrate: 384 kbps



5th try:
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- Now I put the output BluRay *m2ts file from the 4th try into the project + add some text
- Output is: Corel Videostudio Preset BluRay 1920x1080
- Result: There are still the artefacts through the complete clip - no wonder, the artefacts are in the source clip, too. But these artefacts are not more worse than the artefacts in the source clip.
BUT, what still confuses me, cos you would not expect this is the fact, that there are NO more lower framerates when the text appears. The video is smooth like the original clip. So only there´s the problem with the artefacts left. I cannot explain this why the lower framerates now disappearing.

Output-File properties:
File: *.m2t
File Format: PAL HDMV
Videotype: MPEG-2 Video, Upper Filed First
24-Bit, 1920 x 1080, 6:9
Framerate: 25.000Pic/Sec
Videorate: Varianle (Max. 35000kbps)
Audio: Dolby Digital
48.000 Hz
Bitrate: 384 kbps


It doesn´t matter if you have hardware acceleration enabled or not, or if smart render is enabled, the results are always the same. So the best result is the one from the 5th try I can get, which means:

Original clip - render to BluRay without touching it, than import again into Corel Videostudio, then edit all the things Videostudio allows you to do and render it again to BluRay. The only problem are the artefacts and that´s the reason why I try to use en external encoder to reach a smooth picture with no artefacts.

It annoys me - Videostudio can render in high quality, but only with untouched material. Touched material ends up either in lower picture quality or lower framerates. So you can solve one problem, but not both problems

[Peter100]

Flashclicker

Welcome to my world ....
What you describe (strobing and low quality) is exactly what I am seeing from day 1. That is why I started this thread to learn if it is only me who has both problems, or if I am doing something wrong. After spending countless hours, so far what I have learned that there is no solution for it in X4 no matter what you do. I have tried quite a few things alone and then with help /suggestions from this forum but to no avail. This leads me to believe that unless Corel looks closely in this thread with all provided examples and comes with patch for X4, both issues will remain unresolved.

On the side note ...
My initial trails with X5, indicates that strobing somehow got resolved, but the rendering quality is still very bad (same blocky artifacts and reduced colors depth). It also has the same audio problem with 5.1 surround sound as X4 has, so nothing has been fixed there either.

Regards,
Peter

[lata]

Hi flashclicker

In an earlier post I asked you to provide your original video files properties, can you do that for us.
If you have already posted the details accept my apologies.

1 / Right click the original clip in the timeline and select properties, what are they?
2 / go to Settings-Project Properties what are they?
3 / One of your replies mentioned several video formats, when you render the original clip what template did you select.
Again right click the new rendered video clip and select properties, what are they.?

[Flashclicker]

So NOT to confuse people here I´ve Edit the post with the 5 examples of Input / Output Files above and
now added the properties details you want me to post them.

It seems now, if I render a clip in "same as first clip" mode, Corel Videostuido changes the file from *m2ts to *mpeg

BUT if I render a clip to the Corel BluRay Preset 1920 x 1080, Corel Videostudio changes the *m2ts format to *m2t AND diables the videotype from
h.264 Video to MPEG-2 Video. Maybe that´s the reason for the problems .... ????

The Project Setting in ALL tries was always this one:

MPEG-Files
Framerate: 25 pic/sec
Type: Upper Field first
Resolution: 720x576, 16:9

PAL DVD
Quality 70
Format: MPEG-2
NO I-Frames selected
NO 2-pass selected
NO DVD-VR selected
Videorate: Variable 8000 kbps
Audio: LPCM-Audio, Stereo, 48000 Hz

Regulary the project settings should nothing have to do with the rendered output file !!!

BUT I know, the video output results are influenced - especially the framerate. i.e. I tried video output with 50p material, this was only good,
if the project timeline was set to 50 ticks. When the timeline was set to 25 ticks, the video is still stuttering ....

BUT in this case with 25i video material NO Project setting seems to influence the Video Output file !!!

[lata]

Hi Flashclicker

A little information, do not worry to much about the file extensions Mpeg and m2t types,
For the sake of argument they are both the same.

When you perform your render tests you should use the same “original sony clip” for all your tests.

Rendering the original then using the new file to render again is eventually going to reduce quality.

Your first attempt using the “Same as First Clip” is probably as good as it gets, ignoring the fact that m2t has changed to Mpg is not a problem. If your first attempt produced good video then why did you try other options?
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There are some settings that may improve the output of your rendered files.
From Settings – Preferences – Edit tab – Resampling Quality select Best
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Use “Make Movie Templates Manager” to create a template to the Original Sony Video files Properties.
You may be able to use the Add function, otherwise use New then set the properties manually.
In addition from the Compression Tab
Speed v Quality slider please set this to 100%
Select Two Pass encode

The template will be available from Share Create Video File adjacent to the Custom option.
Try using this template to render your video files.
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Finally Flashclicker, what are you intending to create, I know your original video files are HD so are you intending to make a HD Bluray disc. Do you have a Bluray DVD burner installed on your PC
Or are you intending to burn a standard DVD?

[Flashclicker]

Your first attempt using the “Same as First Clip” is probably as good as it gets, ignoring the fact that m2t has changed to Mpg is not a problem. If your first attempt produced good video then why did you try other options?

The other options 2,3,4 and 5 are just to show and compare, what happens if you work with original videofiles and "touch" them! That´s the reason why I bought videostudio. I wanna add text, I wanna add transistions, fx, picture in picture, chroma-key, etc. etc.

Take a closer look and maybe you understand !

Try no.2 is the same as Try no.1 with the only difference, that something was done with the clip that enables the videostudio software. It doesn't matter if it´s adding a text, a transition to a 2nd clip, or something else videostudio can do.

Try No.2 is just to show: If you add something and "touch" the material, the picture quality isn´t as good as the original videomaterial, also there is the problem with the lower framerate I talked about. Just take a look on my uploaded video on page 3 of this topic and you will see the result.

Also you can say: Try No.1 is just to show: If you do nothing with the clip, nothing influences the video. But I do not buy video edit software just to do not edit a video....

Try No.3 is just a proof, that nothing changed in "touched" material, if it was pre-rendered before via Videostudio like in Try No.1.

I thought, maybe Videostudio can handle rendered videofiles better than original videofiles concerning "touched" video material. But I was wrong.

How I came to this idea is the fact, that it´s not working with the "Same As first clip" setting, but this really works with the "Corel preset BluRay Setting" that you can see to compare in try no.4 and try no.5.

Try 4 and Try 5 is the same as Try 1and Try 2, the only difference is, instead of using "Same As first videoclip" I used the "Corel BluRay Preset" but here nothing influences the touched videoclip in try 5, cos it was pre-rendered in try No.4.

And that´s something I do not understand. If it works in try 5, why it doesn´t work in try 2 ???

But try 5 also is not good, cos of the bad picture quality, else it would be perfect !!!

There are some settings that may improve the output of your rendered files.
From Settings – Preferences – Edit tab – Resampling Quality select Best

Use “Make Movie Templates Manager” to create a template to the Original Sony Video files Properties.
You may be able to use the Add function, otherwise use New then set the properties manually.
In addition from the Compression Tab
Speed v Quality slider please set this to 100%
Select Two Pass encode

The template will be available from Share Create Video File adjacent to the Custom option.
Try using this template to render your video files.

Finally Flashclicker, what are you intending to create, I know your original video files are HD so are you intending to make a HD Bluray disc. Do you have a Bluray DVD burner installed on your PC
Or are you intending to burn a standard DVD?

My intend is doin some Blurays, but in the same quality as the original material, without any limits concerning picture quality and lower, disturbed framerates. And this only happens, if you edit or "touch" the video material. Also doin AVCHD isn´t that bad. I think, rendering to HD files makes no sense, if you have a HD Camcorder.

Thank you for your tips and hints and I came to a slightly better result the last days, cos I tried some different settings and will try to include what happens if I change this and that, also I take your hints as good advice and will share my experiences here for everyone havin the same problems ...

[Flashclicker]

All in all I stopped tryin´edit 50i material with great results. During the last days I re-installed windows again and also Videostudio X4.
The issues that I all mentioned the last pages are the same, so it´s the program itself and not i.e. bad windows installation. Also I´ve seen LOT of other users here have the same problems concerning render quality output files - also in Videostudio Pro X5 !

The best results I really got is, if I work with Kingstons´s 50/60 tick timeline trick and use Full HD 50p material, everything is fine there. No bad quality output, no stuttering if i.e. a title is integrated, etc. etc.

But there are other issues I dunno why it´s not working ???

I.e. If you work with an overlay video in videotrack 2 , you can put it in and you can change the size and the angle, you also can set movement directions via those arrow buttons - everything is fine. BUT you can´t fade the video in and out also you cannot rotate it in and out. In those cases the video disappears in the project and it´s not included in the output-file.
Pictures and color clips can be faded in and out in the 2nd videotrack, but not rotated, too. The strange thing is, you can use masks and also chroma key on pictures and videoclips, so imo it has nothing to do with transparency effects.

[Doug2006]

Hi, being that I tried to render some of those clips when this topic first came out, I was notified of a response just added to the topic. So I thought I would put in my feelings about this. I have used this program ever since it was version 8 under another name. I always had some kind of problem but my computer was always older, and I blamed it on that. I use VS mainly to make You tube videos of my sons playing bluegrass music. Those videos are here. http://www.youtube.com/user/KPEarlyEdition?feature=mhee What I learned from this program is never do any thing complicated. I cut and trim the video and switch the audio out and that's it. If I try to do anything more it never works right and is a waste of time. For example yesterday I made a video for a friend and I let him do the cut and splice. He was having all sorts of fun and thinking this is great. I knew better. When we got done I noticed that the audio was off in the two clips that were joined together. As a quick fix I went into the rendered final clip and went to the splice which had a transition of fade to black. I separated out the audio and cut it there and bumped it ahead and got it to match. I have no idea why but we but two clips on the time line with there own audio. Put a fade to black in the middle and rendered it out. Some how the audio after the fade was off by maybe 1/2 second. I don't know why.
If you look at the you tube videos you can see that my kids are getting better every year they play. This means that I hope next year to have 3 cameras to film with and that would mean moving to Adobe or Sony to do the editing. VS has always been a good inexpensive way for me to get the video on You tube but if I was making movies or anything except single clips I would get the $700 program and wade through the learning curve. Doug

[Flashclicker]

Sadly, that reminds me of good old Ulead Videostudio 9 days, I got issues here and there, sometimes it was a constant crash of the program, sometimes it was a mistake in the rendered output file (i.e. missing audio in one clip of the complete project].

In Videostudio Pro X4 it was the first time I really was happy doin editing SD Format complicated files - I never got issues creatin´ DVD compatible Videofiles and it was not a problem working with titles, filters, overlayed tracks, etc. etc. But Videostudio fails at HD material in 25i / 50i concerning the quality of the output files and that´s something that just need ONLY a patch imo, not a new version like Videostudio X5.

I mean, if I work with 50p HD material and render it "as first clip" everything works fine except the issue with overlay videoclips.

BUT I found one solution this moment with the overlayed video that you cannot fade in and out:

1. Put the Video into the 2nd Videotrack
2. Put another video or a picture [length i.e. 1 second] before the clip starts.
3. Add a transition between the first short 1 second clip and your videofile [here: Crossfade]
4. Go into the Attribute section of the first short clip into the mask/chroma key section
5. Set transparency to the first clip to 99 % [you canot see anything here, for me it´s invisible now]
6. Voilá - the desired videoclip fades in !!!

To fadeout a videoclip just put another 1 second clip behind your clip , put the crossfade transition between both clips and set the transparency of the small clip to 99 %

[mde]

Hi,

I seem to have a similar issue.
I cannot seem to get good quality rendering from VS X4.
I have 1920x1080 50p video as input from a Panasonic HD camera and make a AVCHD DVD image or write to folders.
The results are to bad for words.
The output is set to 1920x1080 50i and 16000bps.

The funny thing is when I first purchased the program and made a test project the results were fantastic.
Now when I render this same project again it's awfull, jerky and large "blocks".

I can take a piece of footage of 45 seconds and render it, no manipulation whatsoever (just clipping the clip) and still it looks terrible.
The other thing I noticed is when I first ran by hd-test I wrote down how long it took to finish the dvd. Well the 15 minutes of footage I had took 1h45min to render and burn the disc.
Now it does it in 50 minutes.
Seems to me those 2 are related but I cannot figure out what just yet.

Then of course I start looking for possible reasons.

One thing that worries me is the project properties....why is there no option for HD? it's just mpeg pal/ntsc or avi?
Of course when you output you can set all the rendering options but...
I rendered with 2pass/1pass/proxy/no-proxy.

I feel like re-installing the soft.

Did you ever firgure out what your issues were?