Forum Structure

[bananahead]

More unsure about the "Bugs and omission"; there is a bug registration form for Corel Products. And if Corel's employees aren't much here, what's the point.

It's good to see what others have reported.

[afx]

It's good to see what others have reported.

Absolutely...

cheers
afx

[kbarni]

This forum should definitely have some sub-forums.
The community is quite active, so it's hard to read all the new posts even in the sub-forums I'm interested in.
I generally read on the old forum the "General info" board for announcements, then the plugin, presets, tips and show off board for some useful tools, nice ideas and inspiration.
And - if I had a problem - i would know where to go: let's check the Linux forum if Bibble doesn't launch, the bugs forum if it crashes and the help forum if I don't know how to move a catalog.

[cch44]

This forum should definitely have some sub-forums.
The community is quite active, so it's hard to read all the new posts even in the sub-forums I'm interested in.
I generally read on the old forum the "General info" board for announcements, then the plugin, presets, tips and show off board for some useful tools, nice ideas and inspiration.
And - if I had a problem - i would know where to go: let's check the Linux forum if Bibble doesn't launch, the bugs forum if it crashes and the help forum if I don't know how to move a catalog.

+10000

[df]

Wow, did I make a mistake buying this product? Is it really that bad that you need subforums to sort out all of the problems that are bound to occur? It's a forgone conclusion that you're going to have this many headaches? Maybe I should ask for my money back now while I still can.

[afx]

Is it really that bad that you need subforums to sort out all of the problems that are bound to occur?

Why are you only thinking of problems?
Would you want active plugin development discussion mixed in with howto questions of newbies instead of a reasonable structure?

cheers
afx

[gareth]

Too right, afx.
In B forums we are used to discussing things -- this is a forum not (just) a bug reporting page and it will get B U S Y.
Agree with andy that 4 is probably a good start. "How"(mainly newbie), "announcements"(from Corel +releases of plugins), "possible bugs/advanced usage" and "plugin development discussion"
"Show off/Gallery" with sharing of presets/techniques could also be quite good.

[Sochain]

@BrianCee: Especially andysaly has voiced in his post from last Saturday - and follow ups -- what many of the Bibble users think, at least judging from the comments here and over at the B forum (and sub-forums): Along with the software Corel gets a very active community that I - in Corel's place - would regard as an asset rather than a burden.

From my perspective, it would make sense to have at least one sub-forum for plugins. These are mainly not developed and maintained by Bibble or Corel, so that usage, enhancements, and - yes - bugs are best disucussed there. Plus, not every Bibble / ASP user relies on plugins and/or is interested in reading about them. Some here have argued that the forum's usability would suffer by a substructure. I think, the opposite is true. It is much more time consuming to search through unsorted messages than it is to open "plugins" or "announcements". The value of ASP will -- at least for me -- depreciate if I have to spent too much time to find discussions on, say, plugins I use. Plus: The button "View new posts" (thanks afx btw) brings up posts on all Corel products, which brings up the number of posts to read quite a bit.

It makes no sense to continue this thread by supplying more and more arguments pro or contra sub-structure, though, unless we know if the moderator is willing to reconsider his stance. So please, BrianCee position yourself here.

Regards,
Ingo Socha

[BrianCee]

It is not a bit of good directing your comments at me - moderators do not have the power to add forums or sub-forums - only to moderate them once they are up - you need to convince the site admins.

It is also not a lot of good appealing to Corel - they pay for and host these forums but do almost nothing else - it is very very rare to have any one from Corel visit these forums in a supervisory capacity - I know that the volunteer admins who run the forums on a day to day basis are desperately trying to get guidance from someone in authority at Corel as to what we should do. NOBODY told us you were all coming - NOBODY told us that Corel had a new product (ASP) - NONE of the existing forum volunteer admins or moderators used Bibble or are versed in Aftershot Pro - we want help from Corel management - but it is very slow in coming (which is not unusual).

[afx]

Well, I think Jeff will take action pretty soon and the whole issue will be resolved.

cheers
afx

[skier-hughes]

Jeff?
As in Black Lab?
He's not been active here since last September, is just a moderator same as Brian and Myself, so as Brian has said, he cannot do anything.

[Hobgoblin]

It is not a bit of good directing your comments at me - moderators do not have the power to add forums or sub-forums - only to moderate them once they are up - you need to convince the site admins.

It is also not a lot of good appealing to Corel - they pay for and host these forums but do almost nothing else - it is very very rare to have any one from Corel visit these forums in a supervisory capacity - I know that the volunteer admins who run the forums on a day to day basis are desperately trying to get guidance from someone in authority at Corel as to what we should do. NOBODY told us you were all coming - NOBODY told us that Corel had a new product (ASP) - NONE of the existing forum volunteer admins or moderators used Bibble or are versed in Aftershot Pro - we want help from Corel management - but it is very slow in coming (which is not unusual).

@Brian Cee
I'm saddened to read your post.
But it does help to explain much of the frustration - real or contrived - that some members of the ASP/Bibble Community are feeling.

I assume it also explains why my earlier observation on the inaccuracy of the Board's System clock was not commented on.
Other than AFX's observation this aroused no response.

Hobgoblin wrote:
Any chance of getting the Board Clock set correctly to UTC?
Currently GMT=10:24 GMT=UTC
Board shows 03:04!


it is not only annoying in the board, but it is also one of the reasons why mails from the board get a high spam rating.

cheers
afx

As a former Network Systems Manager it concerns me that an IT Professional would advertise a system as running on UTC time whilst actually setting it to Central Mountain Time.

Its now clear to me that firing at the Moderators would be unfair, but it would be good to know to whom I should address such concerns.
Regards,
R.

[afx]

Jeff?
As in Black Lab?

No, of course not.
Jeff in the context of Bibble or ASP is Jeff Stephens, the head of Bibblelabs.

cheers
afx

[BrianCee]

@ Hobgoblin - re the forum clock - I raised this very point over a week ago - it appears that for whatever reason the clock has to be set on the server which is not available to any of the volunteer admins and apparently has to be done by a Corel IT man in Taiwan ??? (or wherever it is now) . we asked for it to be put right and are still waiting.

As to anything happening on the old Bibble board, we urged Corel to do that - to re-badge those as Corel and maintain the present set up there and add ASP - the suggestion was not received very well although they are *considering* the options - do not stop breathing while you wait for a decision - you will not be around to hear it.

[skier-hughes]

Jeff?
As in Black Lab?

No, of course not.
Jeff in the context of Bibble or ASP is Jeff Stephens, the head of Bibblelabs.

cheers
afx

Sorry, but referring to another Jeff means nothing to me, if he's never been here before. I don't use Bibble/ASP I have never visited their forums, so the only Jeff I know is the Jeff I know, so saying of course not is really, quite rude, in my opinion.

Perhaps instead of sending so many posts to the forums here, where absolutely nothing can be done about them, you send them directly to Jeff, who's going to sort it all out for you