Forum Structure

[BrianCee]

This is not the Bibble board - you have joined the Corel Forum

look at the traffic on these forums the format served it's purpose well

looking at the post will tell you whether it is an announcement or a post about plug-ins or whatever - if you are using Aftershot Pro surely you want to know ALL about Aftershot Pro which currently just requires you to open one forum - if you have sub-forums does that not mean that you have to open each and every one to see if there is something in there to interest you

[andysalay]

This is not the Bibble board - you have joined the Corel Forum

I know. But I have a feeling that the future of the Bibble-successor will be discussed here, not on Bibblelabs forums. Please correct me, if I am wrong.
From my POV it would be better if ASP forum will simply continue on the old Bibble forum, just renamed and with the appropriate domain name. And of course - if the developers will look at it, just as it was in the case of Bibble.
If there is another forum planned solely for ASP, and the devs will look at it, then sorry, ignore my request.

look at the traffic on these forums the format served it's purpose well

Maybe, if it is a user forum, which is serving the users, we should listen to their needs. I have seen many +1 for this request, but so far only one -1.
The Bibble5 forum structure has proved to work very well for the huge amount of information. Regardless the size of Bibble userbase, there are very many individuals here, who have contributed, and the generated traffic is huge. Maybe you are not used to such huge traffic for the single product. Maybe your POV is well suitable for other products, but not Bibble. (Sorry, ASP, not Bibble).
Have you used Bibble5 forum for past few years? Have you tried to imagine, how the Bibble5 forum would look like, without the categories? I have.

looking at the post will tell you whether it is an announcement or a post about plug-ins or whatever - if you are using Aftershot Pro surely you want to know ALL about Aftershot Pro which currently just requires you to open one forum - if you have sub-forums does that not mean that you have to open each and every one to see if there is something in there to interest you

I prefer to look at various subforums, as I often focus on something particular, and
for knowing all new about ASP in case of existing subforums there is a link provided by our Bibble/ASP friends.
With this link we can have both of the worlds,
But without the forum subcategories we cannot.

It has proven many times for me, that the structure was rather good than bad, when I want to return after some (shorter) time to a topic. I was able to find it more easily without the help of search engine, just by brief view. Which will be time consuming, tiring and frustrating without classification. The search function is not suitable for every search. Sometimes it is much faster for me to use "visual search" within a category.

Regards,
Andy Salay

[VIM]

Be fair: I count 3 times -1
If I'm really after something specific... I use the search module anyhow as (especially on the Bibble forum), the answer could be in ANY subforum.
Look at it today: there is more talk about Linux support in any subforum... than in the Linux subforum itself.
So why bother to find a structure that suits ALL of us!? The one at Bibble did not convince me at all.
And it took so much browsing steps to keep-up with things as any topic in any subforum COULD be of interest to me.
IMHO!

[andysalay]

Be fair: I count 3 times -1

Did you do your search well? Not only in just this thread.
I am also "in the middle", like tomsi42.

These five will be sufficient.

• Announcements
• Requests/Wishes,
• Bug reports,
• Plugins
• Other

Also the Show-off was nice addition - everybody was posting there right, according the post content.
The tips&tricks was also good one, making for novices instant source of kickstart guides, etc.
It had helped a much with reducing forum clutter!
Where do novices go, if they do not find something similair in headline? They will start asking.

I do not consider forum cluttered with these few categories.

Regards,
Andy Salay

[afx]

look at the traffic on these forums the format served it's purpose well

Do you have active plugin development going on here?
Do you have multiplatform stuff going on here?

if you are using Aftershot Pro surely you want to know ALL about Aftershot Pro which currently just requires you to open one forum - if you have sub-forums does that not mean that you have to open each and every one to see if there is something in there to interest you

That's why a search for new posts for a subgroup is important. I never ever open boards explicitly unless I want to post something. For general reading, the "search new button" is the only sensible way to go. But that is different from posting or browsing for a specific area where you lack defined enough search strings.

Do you think the average user will have the discipline to tag each post appropriately to ensure someone reading the title will know what this is about? Specific fora are easier for the average guy (if their number is reasonable and logical).

While the old Bibble board had a few categories too many, I strongly suggest to at least split up plugin development from the rest and think hard about OS specific boards in addition to one generic catch all AS board.

cheers
afx

[VIM]

...Did you do your search well? Not only in just this thread...

Yes I did: mine was a -1, the one of "grubernd" and "brucet" used the same quotation in this topic. That adds up to 3.

I could indeed easily find more about "Forum structure" outside this thread.
But that "easily" is simply because there are no Sub-forums to look into

You have suggested your structure... and to be honest; I don't like it at all.

I'm active on another forum where they work with subforums. And that's OK as there are HUNDREDS of new topics and replies per day, sometimes per hour.
But even there... they could open a subforum about the subforum structure suggestions and improvements. And moderaters have a full time job by moving topcis to the "correct" subforum.

Given the number of topics here under the quite popular PSP forum and on the B5 forum (let's not look at the activity of the last week as that will not compare to day-to-day business in a couple of weeks time), I see no reason why I'd have to split my attention.
I'm a man and only women can do multi-tasking

And even in subforums I only look into topics that have a meaningful title!!!

[Arnfinn]

It has never been necessary before on these forums - we have always managed with it the way it is set - to me sub-forums just lead to total confusion - if I am using Aftershot pro and it throws up a problem i do not know whether I have a software problem, a hardware problem, or even a user problem - so I think to myself it must be software cause its this programme - I post in a software sub-forum to have some know-all tell me I posted in the wrong place.

I do not see any advantage at all in sub-forums - only confusion.

If I take that logic a bit further, why did Corel have a section for each of their softwares? Why not throw everything into the same pile???

How would you like have it at your local library? If you could set aside a couple of months to find your book, the no-structure approach would be a good solution!

Not everything relates to a problem. If I want to read about plugins, I don't want to browse or search through a long list of treads about everyone that complains about something. Or if I want to share tips or something I made with the software, I would like to find a section free from all the complaints, fix this, fix that, or this or that sucks...
You may think that some of the sections at the old Bibble forum was confusing and redundant, and you are right. But NO STRUCTURE is even worse than a couple redundant sections or misplaced posts.

I don't have the time to go through a long list of (for me) totally uninteresting posts to find what I'm after. I want to find posts and topics related to one another in their own place separated from everything else.

STRUCTURE, PLEASE.... !!!!

[vieledinge]

+1

There needs to be some kind of structure, just not as much frangmentation as there ended up being at the Bibble forum.

Ack.

[andreas]

I do not see any advantage at all in sub-forums - only confusion.

others do. Me too.

If you are right - Why are there divided forums for the different products at all?

Andreas

[FotoLars]

Hi!

I fully agree with afx above - the forum admins(s) ought to consider some kind of forum substructure.
Separate the different OS:es, and then have the areas andysalay mentions - please see above.
Lenses, their correction parameters and such could be grouped into a separate subforum.

Hence, there would be a maximum of approximately 10 subforums - which really shouldn't be too many.

If there is to exist only one flat forum structure, then the admin(s) has to create some kind of very strict and well-founded taxonomy, and then educate everyone taking part in these forums in order to keep the forums usable.

Everyone who has been in the academic world, chasing literature, articles, patents, etc, probably know that it does take some time to develop the skills to perform a proper search in a database or other collection of data and facts - and that is a database/etc where keywords, tags, etc have been entered in a much stricter and much more organised way than ever will be the case in these forums, which have users from all around the world and where the skills in writing, knowledge about ASP and OS:es, etc, etc, will vary a great deal from person to person.

So, please, DO consider the ideas about some simple substructure mentioned above - and please instate them as soon as possible.

Personally, I think the first single page for the threads in the ASP forum area is already cluttered more then necessary - and just imagine how it will be, when all active Bibble/ASP users have moved over to these forums and take part in the discussions - such as we always have done over at the Bibblelab's forums.


Cheers,

Lars
Lund, Sweden

[dFlyer]

+1 on separating the OS's and plugins from the general forum. It would make it much easier to follow.

[df]

-1

[SteveCase]

+1 on separating the OS's and plugins from the general forum. It would make it much easier to follow.

This is a most logical idea and would keep the main ASP forum specific to the program ,
and make OS/plugin related searches much easier.

[Franz Dur]

I do not know what are the sales of ASP at this time, I hope they are great, but I am sure that at present the vast majority of ASP users are Bibble users.

So why not listen to them? Lets have a structured forum, I don't see the cost of it but the benefits are obvious. If only that: it is always good to please the customer.

Francis

[Hobgoblin]

Any chance of getting the Board Clock set correctly to UTC?
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