Missing file in hybrid disk

[aa7dj]

I finished my HD project in VS X3. It consist of 1920x1080 clips, titles, music, transitions. It was compiled as AVCHD NTFS 1920x1080. I got a 8 min 13 sec file as just over 1Gb in size. It was payed well in the computer.
Then I tried to get a hybrid DVD by using DF7SE. I choose DVD=>AVCHD, add simple menu and burned a disk. When I tried to play on TV screen by using blue-ray player I found that only menu screen exists, but no my video yet.

I repeated this after number of re-compilations. Even I re-install DF7SE. But result was the same. Then I put into my hybrid disk this mpg file and couple similar 1920x1080 AVCHD files from my prvious projects. Also I slightly modified my last project file, compiled under different name and put into the same disk.

In a burned disk I can see a menu of all four files. But on TV screen I can watch only two files from my older projects.

I couldn't find any differences in older and newer projects. Please help me to find what I'm doing wrong.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Viad

I really don’t know what you are doing wrong, if anything?

After creating the menu, does it play ok using the “Preview” option.

Do all four video files show on the first menu page.?
And do they play as they should when you click on the links.

To save wasting a disc ……….On the final window, choose to Create AVCHD Folders
The folder will be saved to the computer, you can play this on the computer to view the results, just as though you were playing a disc.

Does it play ok.

[aa7dj]

Hi Trevor,

Thank you so much for your reply.

I don't understand your last suggestion. I'm looking to the final window of DF7SE and don't see where I can save AVCHD files.

But I tried my yesterday DF7SE project with two newer mpg files and two older. And I went to menu and run Priview window. I see there all four files listed in the screen menu. But I could run only two newers. Attempts to run olders leads only to stop and close a DF7SE.

Then I tried to start new project and put the same two newer mpg files and two same older. But each time I copied a total lengths of the green sector. It appears that instead of 3.8 Gb expected I got only 2.8 Gb total. I found that two older files are much shorter as they must be. Of course I could not preview them.

I still can't decide my problem is either in VS X3 or in DF7SE. What can you say this time?

Thank you.

[Trevor Andrew]

To save wasting a disc ……….On the final window, choose to Create AVCHD Folders

click to view a larger image

Ok
The older video files seem to be corrupt in some way.
You seem to indicate that DVD MF closes/freezes, stops working, is this correct?

If you were to use the newer video files, use them twice so you have four added to DVD Movie Factory.
I assume this will create a good DVD, having a good menu.
This should indicate that the old files are not suitable.

Using Video Studio insert the old files to the timeline , right click the clips and select properties, what are they?
Do the same for the new video files to compare the properties.

[Ken Berry]

Can you also look at your DVD in Windows > Computer. The disc should contain two folders: BDMV (or possibly BDAV) and CERTIFICATE. In the BDMV folder there should be a STREAM sub-folder which contains all the video which has been burned to the disc. They will be called 0000.m2ts, 0001.m2ts, 0002.m2ts ... etc. If you double click on each one, it should play in Windows Media Player. Play each one to see if all four of your videos are there, or only the two later ones.

[aa7dj]

This time I compared Properties each of four mpg files. I found two differences. Older files has video bit rate 22699 kbps maximum and audio bit of 256 kbps. Two newer files: 18000 and 384 respectively.

I recompiled two older files and now bit rates are equal in all four files.

After this I started DVD MF7SE and found that it sees all four files. I saved as AVCHD folders and in STREAM I checked my files. They are all four there but only a small fraction of each.

Also I have a disc I made with older files couple months ago. Even with that bit rates disc is well readable by blue-ray player and I can watch on TV screen. But not now yet.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Viad

You say…….
They are all four there but only a small fraction of each.

I don’t really understand, if they are smaller than the originals do you mean the duration (in minutes) or the file size ( in Gb) or both? Please provide details……

If they are approx 4 Gb then Fat 32 comes to mind.
What type of filing system does your PC use Fat32 or NTFS
If its Fat32 then this limits individual files to 4 Gb

[Ken Berry]

??? ... and a hybrid disk (at least a single layer DVD) can only hold 4.3 GB maximum... But I can't see VS dividing up the 4.3 GB to allow little bits of each larger video to be burned...

[aa7dj]

Hi Trevor and Ken,

Thank you for your help.
I'm sure this is not a system limitation. I'm using this computer only for video editing and got many hybrid discs already. Something happened just recently.

Okay, I repeated a try to burn four files again just now.
I put four files onto MF7SE timeline in this order. Two older, already successfully burned earlier, files of 1.02Gb for 8:13 minutes. Same content, only one has titles in Russian. Then I put two newer files. I compiled them as AVCHD and DVD both. And many times watched on my computer. And never burned out on disc. To be honest I never tried to burn a DVD versions of these files. Concentrated only on HD now. So, one file is 456Mb for 3:18, other one is 1.05Gb for 7:39.
Green sector shows 3.63(3.89)Gb/27min25sec total.

After running over MF7SE in the STREAM folder I found 8 files. 4 watchable are: 224Mb for 1:46, 590Mb for 4:39, 158Mb for 1:15, 93.7Mb for 0:44. Other 4 files are 1.99Gb, 1.99Gb, 1.98Gb, 1.98Gb and playing with black screen and no sound.

Any ideas?
Best regards.

Vladimir

[aa7dj]

Maybe this information will give you an idea what is going on.

I took an old file with 1440x1080 resolution, 15000 bit rate and playing 10 min 44 sec. I placed it onto MF7SE timeline. File was processed and I got 10:44 long video in the AVCHD=>STREAM folder.
Then I took file with 1920x1080 resolution, 18000 bit rate, 1.26Gb for 7 minutes. In MF7SE I checked file information by clicking small "i". Then I checked Projects settings at the bottom of MF7SE screen. Information was similar in both cases: 1920x1080, video max 18000 kbps, audio 384 kbps.
But green sector shows only 624 Mb instead of 1.26Gb. And after burning I got very short piece of video file in AVCHD=>STREAM folder.

Also when I downloaded 1440x1080 file in the icon of this file in MF7SE timeline was blinking red dot and blue progress bar. When I downloaded 1920x1080 file it was no neither a red dot nor progress bar.

[Ken Berry]

But green sector shows only 624 Mb instead of 1.26Gb.

That sounds as though you have put in fully progressive AVCHD video, possible at 24p frames per second or more likely 50 (PAL) or 60 (NTSC) frames per second. And MF 7 cannot handle true progressive video like this. It will -- if it can process it at all -- simply throw away half the frames as it will think that the video is interleaved 25/29.97 fps...

Can you right click on this particular file in the MF burning timeline or in the VS timeline and copy ALL its properties here please.

And after burning I got very short piece of video file in AVCHD=>STREAM folder.

How long does 1.26 GB piece of video run for, and how long does the "very short" piece of video run for?

[aa7dj]

Hi Ken,
I tried again yesterday. I took just one file 1.02Gb/8m13s. After compilation I got only 224Mb/1m46s in the folder AVCHD=>STREAM.

I repeated today with the same file. Green sector in MF7SE timeline shows 547Mb. In the folder AVCHD=>STREAM I got 815mB/8m13s. File is shorter, but playing time is the same. I even tried in the PC player and it runs great and length was correct.

Then I tried the same file again two times more, but computer stops in the middle each time and needs to be shut down manually. It seems like MF7SE is very unstable with files like this.

File I tried to burn I got from my Canon HFS100 with 24 Mbps and 1920x1080 resolution (mode MXP).

From the X3 timeline I got these Properties:

File format: NTSC HDMV
File size: 1,079,196 kb
Duration: 493.594 seconds
Video type: H.264 Video, Upper Field First
Total frames: 14,793 frames
Attributes: 24 bits, 1920x1080, 16:9
Frame rate: 29,970 frames/sec
Data rate: Variable bit rate (Max.18000 kbps)
Audio type: Dolby Digital Audio
Total samples: 23,692,492 Samples
Attributes: 48000 Hz
Layer: None
Bit rate: 384 kbps

A DVD file and disc from this project was made without any troubles.

Thank you. Best regards.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Vlad

I think there has been some misunderstanding of your description as “ The file is shorter”
At least for me....I took this to mean the video is incomplete.
What you are saying is that the file is smaller in size , Gb size, yet the duration in minutes is correct.

When we burn a DVD sometimes the process re-renders the video, this creates new files used to burn the DVD, these invariably will use a different bit rate and therefore produce a different file size. (Gb size)
The duration will be the same the video will be complete.

The properties used to convert the video can be seen by viewing the Options Cogwheel (Project Settings)
The option “Do Not Convert Mpeg files should be selected.”

An indication that the video is being converted is shown after hitting the burn button, the process starts with Convert Title.

If you first see Convert Menu then the original video files will be used to burn the DVD. No rendering.
Now the file sizes (Gb’s) will be similar to the originals.

Ken asked for properties of all your video files, can you provide these, especially for any videos that seem to be causing the problem?

[aa7dj]

Hi Trevor,

Thank you for your new reply. Few days ago I started my posts trying to burn four files: two newer and two older. But all are same resolution 1920x1080 and taken with 24 Mbps setting in camcorder. After several attemts I returned only to just one file. And still I can't get good AVCHD file from MF7SE.
In my previous post I show Properties of this file I took from X3 timeline.

The duration will be the same the video will be complete.

Yes, in previous tests I got file smaller and duration smaller. For example 224Mb/1m46s vs 1.02Gb/8m13s or 93.7Mb/0m44s vs 1.05Gb/7m39s etc.

The option “Do Not Convert Mpeg files should be selected.”

It was selected always but only yesterday I unselected it trying to find why it not working. And only once I got correct duration with slightly shorter file. But attemts to get the same result again failed.

Ken asked for properties of all your video files, can you provide these, especially for any videos that seem to be causing the problem?

I provided it, see previous post. Do you meant to provide properties of all clips included in this file? I can do this too, but I don't see a button to include a picture file into this message. I meant screenshots.

Best regards.

[aa7dj]

After few experiments I reached to my final decision. Merely MF7SE can NOT work with clips taken at 24Mbps (Canon HFS100 mode MXP). When I reduced to 17 Mbps (mode FXP) I got a chance to burn AVCHD to hybrid DVD disc.