Widescreen Video File Refuses To Playback in 16:9

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Roz

I don’t use Premiere so am at a bit of a disadvantage.
I would look at the Presets they show as “custom”, is there an option for DV-Avi? Or maybe “same as original”

Graham having used the program in the past may have a better idea.

But as a test try a short video, render from Premiere and insert to Video Studio to check the properties.

[skier-hughes]

this is what you want to choose from the drop down box, PAL dv widescreen. My son still uses premiere, so got him to do this screen shot for me, although he has selected PAL dv, which would give you a std 4.3

Hope you are now sorted.

[rozel]

Hi Trevor

Yes the preset changes to custom when I select "Use Maximum Render Quality". This is the only thing that changes - I have been selecting Microsoft AVI or Microsoft Uncompressed AVI and then DV PAL Widescreen. The output window on the left of the Export Window shows what the resultant video looks like and this doesn't include any black bars either at each side or top/bottom.

Thing is this: -

When I import the resultant video into VS it shows bars on each side. However I can go into Options then click the attributes tab, then "Distort Clip" and magically a dotted line appears around my preview video allowing me to resize it correctly. This suggests that the prog knows what the problem is lol!

However using MF7 things are different: -

I import the same clip but again in the preview window the vid is squashed in and bars appear on each side.

So I select the Advanced Options then Multi-trim and then by selecting the start and end of my sequence the video immediately changes to the correct display - but then what do I do? This Multi-trim box allows me to play the trimmed file correctly, but how do I then edit it? If I press ok the multi-trim window disappears leaving me back where I was! Again though by slecting the multi-trim screen, the software seems to know what the problem is but doesn't actually correct it!

Do these things shed any more light on the matter?

I truly want to export from Premiere's time-line and use MF7.

Here's hoping!

roz

[rozel]

Thanks Graham

That is precisely what I am doing and yes I do select DV PAL Widescreen.

I can tell this is right from the lack of black bars around the opening frame in the left hand side of the export screen having selected output - see my earlier post.

It seems Premiere is not flagging my video correctly and this is possibly confusing VS and MF sadly

I am currently experimenting exporting to mpeg2, and have saved my settings. I am not hopeful though of good quality as this is going to limit the size to around 8.5 Gb's ish, presumably because these files are meant for DVD's and not Blurays - I wanted to export without any deterioration in quality and then allow MF to do it's stuff dependent upon my final output.

roz

[skier-hughes]

You can't be, as your previous screenshot shows an uncompressed field based avi.

[rozel]

Could you please check my screen shot (in my post timed at 3.44pm today) and outline what I am doing wrong please? I thought those settings matched?

roz

[skier-hughes]

Apart from the custom bit, they look ok, but it may be this custom bit that is causing the problem, instead of custom, choose PAL dv widescreen.
Do a 10 second video and see what you get as a result.
Pop this into VS or MF and right click and check the file properties again, as your post showing your properties earlier today, 10.34???? shows you are getting uncompressed out of premiere.

[rozel]

Right, I will do that. There are two main presets though - Microsoft AVI and Microsoft AVI Uncompressed. I am using the first one.

I understand where you are coming from with the custom bit - your own screen chopped off the lower "basic Settings" so I can not check which ones you used earlier - any chance you could repost a full sized screen print of your Premiere's Export Screen please? When I check use maximum rendering lower down the DV PAL Widescreen Preset, changes to custom.

It would be good to know what settings you used but I cannot help noticing your output has black bars both at each side and on top. When I use my settings everything looks perfect in wisescreen with no black bars at all but when it's imported to VS or MF, black bars appear on each side and the video is squashed in

OK but I will do what you have suggested tomorrow - I am working "early-shifts" this week and need to be up at 4am tomorrow so it's bed for me shortly. I will post again tomorrow afternoon sometime.

Thanks for supporting me everyone it is extremely kind of you all

roz

[Trevor Andrew]

Apart from the custom bit, they look ok, but it may be this custom bit that is causing the problem, instead of custom, choose PAL dv widescreen.
Do a 10 second video and see what you get as a result.
Pop this into VS or MF and right click and check the file properties again, as your post showing your properties earlier today, 10.34???? shows you are getting uncompressed out of premiere.

Try this test that Graham suggests, do not change any other options, just select Pal DV Widescreen.
Then see what results you get.............

[skier-hughes]

As Trevor has said, do not choose any other options, just Microsoft AVI and PAL dv widescreen.

[rozel]

Good morning!

I will do exactly that when I get home later today.

However before I went to bed last night, I tried outputting to .mpeg and used what I thought would be standard settings for an SD Video. I used VBR 2-pass - I forget the actual settings for bit rates but I have saved these and will post them to see if they can be bettered.

It was totally successful though - I have ended up with an .mpg file of appx 9.4 Gb and which plays perfectly in MF7 - Hurrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Interestingly, when I play it back in VLC player however, it plays fine and in widescreen, but has black bars on either side of it but the video isn't squashed. Think this is important to understand as it may throw some light on what the problem is importing an .AVI.

If I cannot improve upon the quality of this .mpg file - it plays excellently and at this time in the morning, I haven't really compared the two yet doh!, it seems as good as before

The size of the file seems ok which, with my extras will take it to appx 12/15 Gb, I guess. So how would I go about exporting this then to Disc - MF's initial screen seems to suggest, after I selected Video Disc Creation/BluRay, the output will come out at 43.2 Gb's - way above the size of my file and importantly, the size of a 25Gb disc!

Thoughts please?

roz

[skier-hughes]

12/15gb is an MPEG2 SD compliant dvd file.
If you make your Blu Ray disc this file ahs to be converted to an HD file, the resolution goes from 720x576, of probably 8,000kbps to 1920x1080 and maybe 16,000 and the amount of information contained within is much greater, thus the huge difference in file size.
Doing these two conversions, dv.avi on tape, mpeg2 output, H264 for blu ray will reduce quality.
Staying as dv.avi will retain some quality and you then output from this file to your required ones.

A blu ray disc needs a blu ray burner to produce and a blu ray player to play. You cannot make a large SD dvd and burn it to a blu ray disc as a large SD dvd.

The reason you have so much trouble with your avi is that it is not dv.avi.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Roz

In view of your comments in creating a good Mpeg file containing black bars I think we need to look at the properties of the original video file.

Can you import one of the original video files to Video Studio and provide the properties.
When inserted to the timeline you should see the info window again, choosing details will expand the window, use your mouse to highlight the text in the righthand panel, copy and paste to the forum.

[skier-hughes]

Trevor, as we need a dv.avi to produce mpeg2's and blu ray files in MF7, my opinion is to ignore the mpeg2 from premiere at this stage as it'll just add complications, let's concentrate on the dv.avi when it is produced.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Graham

As a video file has been created containing black bars then the problem may lay with the original video file.
The original video file should be a DV-Avi. It takes but a moment to insert one into Video Studio to check its properties.
If they are wrong then we may have to go back to the capture process, certainly something is wrong, Assuming they are indeed Dv Avi then Premiere should be able to render them to Dv-Avi, something that hasn’t been achieved so far.

We need a good DV-Avi before we progress to converting it in order to burn a disc of any type.

I’m waiting for Roz to reply and say that Premiere has rendered to DV-Avi Widescreen as we both requested yesterday.

But I would like the original video files properties confirming?