MPEG Settings for X4

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MPEG Settings for X4

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I know there must be a thread or post about the best MPEG settings when you are going through the steps to burn a DVD, but did a search and came up with nothing. :( I guess I will just ask.
Those items in bold are checked in X4.

In the MPEG properties
● Do not convert
● Support X-Disc
● Two pass conversion
● Treat MPEG audio as non-DVD compliant
● Auto fade
● Play all
● Auto repeat

Lower field first?

Under Change MPEG settings/Customize do any of you change anything?
General Tab and Compression?
I know to move the slider under compression to 100%. Not sure about the rest.

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Need a lot more information here. What are the properties of your original clips? Where do they come from? What exactly are you looking to achieve? A DVD to play in your TV, on you PC or where? Concerned that you put a query next to the "Field Order" If your originals are Lower field First" then you must keep to that. Also of course if they are "Upper field First" stick to Upper Most important that! Also what Compression lever are you talking about and why do you use 100%?
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I know to move the slider under compression to 100%.
I am sorry, but I have to ask: how do you "know" that? I "know" to always leave it alone. Quite a few users put it up to 100% but I always leave it at its default of around 70%. It is not actually an indicator of quality per se. It is an indicator of the quality you might be able to achieve and the time it might take to achieve it. The default is supposed to represent a reasonable time to to achieve good quality. Raising it will significantly incease the time factor, but the increase in quality achieved in that time is relatively small, if detectable at all. Personally, I have never been able to see any significant difference -- and believe me, I am a Virgo perfectionist!! Others swear by it.

What I *do* know is that people who slide it up to 100% but don't have particularly powerful computers often find that their project starts stuttering or comes to a complete halt... We usually recommend in such cases that they reduce that compression slider significantly -- down to 90% or less.

As for the rest of your post, like mitchell65 I have some difficulty in following exactly what you are after when your provide no information about what you are inserting or what editing you have done or even what you are trying to produce. I am also assuming that you are talking about the burning module... But looking at some of them:

The 'Do not convert compliant mpeg files' is important if you have inserted DVD-compliant mpeg files into the burning module. If ticked, the files are not then re-rendered as part of the burning process. Nor should they be. That would merely degrade the quality and possibly cause other complications in the burning process.

I have no idea what X-discs are, and have never worried about this.

Two pass conversion will only happen if you are rendering video, and it is using Variable Bitrate. It will improve quality, but will also take twice as long.

MPEG audio is not part of the NTSC DVD standard, and in the now distant past, NTSC stand-alone DVD players had difficulty with it. The same is not true of PAL DVD players which have never had difficulty with mpeg audio. So if you live in a PAL country, there is no need to avoid it -- though it will produce files about the same size as Dolby dual channel stereo.

Mitchell has already given the hard and fast rule about maintaining the same field order throughout a project.

Changing MPEG settings in the burning module only applies if you either have inserted a VSP file into the burning timeline or else have unticked the 'Do not convert' box. If you have inserted a DVD-compliant mpeg-2 file into the burning module, there is no need to untick that box, and so the ability to change properties does not arise. Ditto re the General and Compression tabs under Options.
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FWIW, X-Disc is suppose to be a compression scheme (I think more of a scam), allowing for more/longer videos to be put onto a standard disc. There's XDVD, XVCD, and XSVCD. I done a google search to see if there's any positive information, or good results. It appears that it doesn't work, results in some really poor video.
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Thanks Gents,
I am sorry, but I have to ask: how do you "know" that? I "know" to always leave it alone.
Back when I was burning with VS11 I read that information and even printed it up off of this forum. One of the regular users who outlined the steps said to move the slider up to 100%. I 'assumed' I should do the same for X2, X3, X4... Sounds like I should just keep it at 70%. Would it make a difference in quality with the compression at 100%?

I am shooting with the Sony HDR CX550V. I use the HD option for interviews. It is my intention to burn interviews on DVD's in high definition. I suppose I might do some in Blue Ray and maybe standard definition, but for now my focus is high definition.

I am not sure what you mean by 'originals', so I will set it to lower or higher field depending on what is best for HD. I have printed up the other items you mentioned and will review those in my settings.
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Your camcorder records AVCHD MPEG-2, so the field order will be Upper Field First. Originals=your source video, where you obtained it. In your case it would be the video recorded by the camcorder.

The Quality vs Render Time slider, I know in the past has been debated, some think moving it to 100% gains them enough quality to warrant the additional time it will take to render. Like Ken, I've not been able to tell the difference, except in rendering time. At 100% on my machines takes longer, however the quality appears the same as if I left it at the default. The new faster quad-cores, may not notice a significant increase in time, however when working with the highly-compressed AVCHD video, you're dealing with a massive amount of additional data too.. ;)

If you're interested in producing HD blu-ray then choose one of the canned templates, in your case it would be AVCHD>NTSC HD, then the proper frame size. I can't find anything right away telling me what the frame rate is. I don't think it uses the new "true HD" frame rates of 50/60fps, which VS has a problem with.

Also the only thing close to a DVD in high-def is a hybrid disc. DVD is Standard Def, period. High-def discs are Blu-Ray, AVCHD discs, and require a blu-ray player or a device like the PS3 to play them. The discs are still quite pricey too.
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But you definitetly can produce a High Definition Disc from a standard DVD-R Disc. I do this all the time. I produce the BMDV folder and burn that as data to a standard DVD. Perfect results on my HD TV played through a Blu-Ray Player! You are restricted to about 30 mins maximum though but that is usually plenty for my use.
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