I have VS7 and have some questions.
I have used VS7 many times to trim the ends of a capture but I am having difficulty doing an "internal" trim.
With the help of some FAQ's I have gotten to the point of having cut out the sections (snip, snip, delete) and the FAQ said that they would rejoin when I went to Share created the DVD files.
1. Is there a way of cutting out unwanted video without creating additional video clips?
2. Since the original capture was already DVD compliant MPEG, is there a way to rejoin the clips but avoid rendering it?
3. Since this question must have been asked many a time already, but couldn't find a complete answer in the sticky posting, can a site that spells this kind of thing out be recommended. I would mention that Brian's Ramblings notes were very helpful, though.
Thanks and sorry if this is duplicative.
Larbo
Is Rendering Necessary?
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BrianCee
If you are editing in the timeline as shown on my website then you are not actually creating any additional video clips, all you are creating is new thumbnails in the library bins that point to sections of your original file. The original file is left completely untouched and no new "real" files are created.
You don't actually need to "re-join" the clips - only when you have finished editing will you need to "Share >> Create Video File" and at the point all the additions you have made like titles and transitions will need rendering - when you finally get to burn that file to disc make sure you have "Do not convert compliant MPEG files" ticked under the 'Project Settings' (gear wheel icon) in the "VideoStudio Create Disc" dialogue window
You don't actually need to "re-join" the clips - only when you have finished editing will you need to "Share >> Create Video File" and at the point all the additions you have made like titles and transitions will need rendering - when you finally get to burn that file to disc make sure you have "Do not convert compliant MPEG files" ticked under the 'Project Settings' (gear wheel icon) in the "VideoStudio Create Disc" dialogue window
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Larbo
Thanks Brian. great explanation. Let me ask you, in removing a 2 minutes section out of an hour clip, what have you found to be the easiest method for finding the clip and removing it?? The methods that I have tried all seem very arduous.
Also, I went ahead and edited a one hour clip and removed 25% of it, but the file size grew from 1.9 to 2.6Gb. Shouldn't it get smaller? I did render it when I went to Create Video File and it shrunk to 1.8Gb. However, I have made no additions or transitions... only cut out pieces. Is rendering still necessary?
Oh, is there an accurate way to check for dropped frame? Nothing in UVS7 Help on that.
Thanks again.
Also, I went ahead and edited a one hour clip and removed 25% of it, but the file size grew from 1.9 to 2.6Gb. Shouldn't it get smaller? I did render it when I went to Create Video File and it shrunk to 1.8Gb. However, I have made no additions or transitions... only cut out pieces. Is rendering still necessary?
Oh, is there an accurate way to check for dropped frame? Nothing in UVS7 Help on that.
Thanks again.
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BrianCee
I personally find that the quickest way to find the bits to delete is just to drag the jog bar under the preview screen along until you see the bit you want to delete in the preview window, then drag the jog bar back/forward gently until your about right and then either use the "previous" and "next" buttons to move back and forth one frame at a time or use the timecode under the right corner of the preview window - if you click on either the minutes - seconds or frames then use either the little up/down arrows next to the timecode with your mouse or the up/down arrows on your keyboard you can advance/retard one minute/second/frame at a time.
I really have no idea what happens to my file size during the editing process - it is of no concern to me I would not expect my original file size to change at all - since as already said nothing happens to it during editing - my only concern is that the final video fits on a DVD without having to lower the bitrate too much - again you only need to go through the rendering process after you have finished editng and are ready to create your final video file - as far as I can remember UVS has always done some rendering while creating that file - I just allow time for it and go and do something else at that point.
You can only check for dropped frames in version 7 during capture and to do that you have to actually modify one of the files on your computer as follows :-
1. Ensure you have “Show hidden files and folders” selected in ‘Folder Options’ >> ‘ View’
2. Locate the ‘HerCap.ini’ file in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Ulead Systems\Ulead VideoStudio\7.0;
3. Open HerCap.ini file and at the bottom below the [CAPTURE_SETTING] section add "ShowFrameNumber=1"
4. Save and Close the ini file;
5. Launch VideoStudio 7 and go to Capture stage;
6. You will see the drop frame counter in the panel under the preview screen during capture.
Note: With a 1024x768 display area the drop-frame counter will not show very well on the Option Panel; however, you still can see it.
The drop-frame counter will show completely when the display area is changed to 1280x1024."
I really have no idea what happens to my file size during the editing process - it is of no concern to me I would not expect my original file size to change at all - since as already said nothing happens to it during editing - my only concern is that the final video fits on a DVD without having to lower the bitrate too much - again you only need to go through the rendering process after you have finished editng and are ready to create your final video file - as far as I can remember UVS has always done some rendering while creating that file - I just allow time for it and go and do something else at that point.
You can only check for dropped frames in version 7 during capture and to do that you have to actually modify one of the files on your computer as follows :-
1. Ensure you have “Show hidden files and folders” selected in ‘Folder Options’ >> ‘ View’
2. Locate the ‘HerCap.ini’ file in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Ulead Systems\Ulead VideoStudio\7.0;
3. Open HerCap.ini file and at the bottom below the [CAPTURE_SETTING] section add "ShowFrameNumber=1"
4. Save and Close the ini file;
5. Launch VideoStudio 7 and go to Capture stage;
6. You will see the drop frame counter in the panel under the preview screen during capture.
Note: With a 1024x768 display area the drop-frame counter will not show very well on the Option Panel; however, you still can see it.
The drop-frame counter will show completely when the display area is changed to 1280x1024."
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Larbo
Hi Brian, THANKS a lot!! Your webpage is really helpful, too. The Jones link is dead on the sticky note, BTW (not sure how to notify the right people).
A new computer system is in the works for me for later in the year. The meanwhile I am still using W98SE with the 2GB file limit. So.... that file size if of concern, as is the total VOB size. I found out the hard way yesterday that I had to lower the quality down to 80% to get a good capture with my P3,1GHz processor. I already have tons of hardware functions shutoff and all non-essential programs closed.
When it comes to image quality... has anyone done a chart or something on the variables and their effects on quality? For example, video quality slide bar, VBR vs CBR and different bitrates and field codes (A vs B). To reduce file size but not lose quality, how low can the slide bar go vs. dropping the VBR bitrate, or changing from VBR to CBR, etc? Or even accept minimal image degredation but which parameter would give the greatest file size savings for that trade off. So much to consider!
Sure, I could try to do a comparison but I would hate to reinvent the wheel (and about 3 days of free time) when you know that so many UVS users have already been there. Thanks again, Lar
A new computer system is in the works for me for later in the year. The meanwhile I am still using W98SE with the 2GB file limit. So.... that file size if of concern, as is the total VOB size. I found out the hard way yesterday that I had to lower the quality down to 80% to get a good capture with my P3,1GHz processor. I already have tons of hardware functions shutoff and all non-essential programs closed.
When it comes to image quality... has anyone done a chart or something on the variables and their effects on quality? For example, video quality slide bar, VBR vs CBR and different bitrates and field codes (A vs B). To reduce file size but not lose quality, how low can the slide bar go vs. dropping the VBR bitrate, or changing from VBR to CBR, etc? Or even accept minimal image degredation but which parameter would give the greatest file size savings for that trade off. So much to consider!
Sure, I could try to do a comparison but I would hate to reinvent the wheel (and about 3 days of free time) when you know that so many UVS users have already been there. Thanks again, Lar
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THoff
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Larbo
Hi Larbo -
No, I don't remember any MultiTrim in UVS7 (to answer for Brian).
You can upgrade from UVS7 to UMSP7 for $149 if I understand the information at the Ulead site. Look at Upgrade Policy in the box on the right. Seems like their standard upgrade offer.
I've been considering going to MediaStudio Pro, and wondering how to avoid a big, expensive disappointment. I have Ulead's Trial Versions CD and plan to begin my month of trial use soon.
However, I'm not really looking forward to it. I bought MediaStudio Director's Cut 6.5 on eBay ("brand new with registration number!") and it turned out to have been already registered. So (I think) I'm getting my money back on that -- the seller assures me nobody has ever complained before (ha!). I did install Director's Cut and try to navigate around in it, but found it more complicated than needed (belated realization) and so-obviously "older" software. I didn't even contemplate trying to work with one of my videos on it -- only so much energy to spare.
Just rambling on... probably a lot of people go through this same thinking about the two programs. I don't think better quality is what you'd get using MediaStudio Pro, but you'd have more options while editing.
Keith
No, I don't remember any MultiTrim in UVS7 (to answer for Brian).
You can upgrade from UVS7 to UMSP7 for $149 if I understand the information at the Ulead site. Look at Upgrade Policy in the box on the right. Seems like their standard upgrade offer.
I've been considering going to MediaStudio Pro, and wondering how to avoid a big, expensive disappointment. I have Ulead's Trial Versions CD and plan to begin my month of trial use soon.
However, I'm not really looking forward to it. I bought MediaStudio Director's Cut 6.5 on eBay ("brand new with registration number!") and it turned out to have been already registered. So (I think) I'm getting my money back on that -- the seller assures me nobody has ever complained before (ha!). I did install Director's Cut and try to navigate around in it, but found it more complicated than needed (belated realization) and so-obviously "older" software. I didn't even contemplate trying to work with one of my videos on it -- only so much energy to spare.
Just rambling on... probably a lot of people go through this same thinking about the two programs. I don't think better quality is what you'd get using MediaStudio Pro, but you'd have more options while editing.
Keith
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Larbo
Hi Keith, there is only so much time in a day. This little project I am doing now has been a pain (in the learning joint, so to speak). First too many dropped frames, then too big a file size (W98SE). I finally settled on a 75%, VBR 6000, Field B spec and all seems ok. I will burn tonight and find out for sure.
I vote simplicity so I just may go for UVS9 when the time comes.
BTW, what is considered an acceptable level of dropped frames out of 100,000 frame count? I am running about 18 and cannot seem to get it any lower (to be sure, I tried for zero!).
Thanks for the hello. Lar
I vote simplicity so I just may go for UVS9 when the time comes.
BTW, what is considered an acceptable level of dropped frames out of 100,000 frame count? I am running about 18 and cannot seem to get it any lower (to be sure, I tried for zero!).
Thanks for the hello. Lar