Unable to turn off subtitles from menu buttons

spapax · Post by **spapax** » Mon May 30, 2005 7:57 am

we try to use the subtitles feature in DVD Workshop 2 (updated 2.231). We have only one subtitle (english) in Track 1. We activate it through the playlist of a button. When we want to deactivate (Subtitles off) we activate Subtitle track 32 which has no subtitles. We do not see any other way to do it. This approach works fine inside Workshop but not at all in Power DVD or the DVD player we use. In these cases after subtitle activation, there is no way to deactivate subtitles from the corresponding button, but only from the remote control.
Any suggestion?

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Tue May 31, 2005 3:39 pm

Use Track 1 for your dummy and track 2 for your real. Works fine for me.

Maukka · Post by **Maukka** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:20 pm

Do you create a separate menu text such as "No subtitle" for the Dummy? Or how do you activate it once subtitles are on?

-Maukka

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:19 am

Yes, I use a semi-text menu to choose aub-titles. This would appear to be:

SUBTITLE

Sub-title off
English
Français
Deutsch
Ελληνικά

I don't know whether the last line will reproduce correctly; it is Greek.

In fact, I write the menu as simple text and superimpose over each line a hidden button which does the work. This puts a hover rectangle over the selection, which I find preferable. Hitting any button will choose the ST track and then return to main menu.

Dethroner · Post by **Dethroner** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:08 pm

I have tried a dummy subtitle track too, but didn't like the result since DVD player's subtitle function shows that subtitle is still ON (though with dummy track selected). Not a big problem, but it there is a common approach for that, so I couldn't agree with this workaround. Finally I found a workaround to change the button function using IFOEdit. Here's what I've done:

Create a DWS project with single subtitle track and Subtitles menu containing two buttons, each of them set to select the same subtitle track. No dummy subtitle track is needed!
After finishing the project, select an option to create DVD folders on disk.
Open the VIDEO_TS.IFO file (it is in VIDEO_TS subdirectory of output folder) with IFOEdit.
Expand the VMGM_PGCI_UT branch in IFOEdit's top pane and find the subtitle selection menu.

There are a lot of menus there, but you need one that has two similar (SetSTN) Set Subpicture Stream Nr Post-Commands in the IFOEdit's bottom panel.
Right-click the second (SetSTN) Set Subpicture Stream Nr command, select Edit Command, change the On/Off combo to Off and click OK.
Save the VIDEO_TS.IFO file. When program asks whether to save the .BUP file click Yes.
Go back to DVD Workshop, go to Finish stage and click the ISO button.
select "DVD Folder", browse for the output folder and then burn it.

Of course, it is a good idea to backup the .IFO and .BUP files for the case if something goes wrong. For testing purposes, it is better to burn the project to rewritable media first to make sure everything works right.

P.S. One thing I cannot understand is Ulead's approach towards this question. How could it happen that authoring software packed with professional functions like DLT tape export does not allow to create a button to turn off subtitles?

Maukka · Post by **Maukka** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:27 pm

I don't have access to DVDWorkshhop right now, so I cannot check this.

But why not simply make a "Subtitle Off" button, and then define the playlist for this button without any subtitle track at all?

This would seem to be the simple solution. In fact if it works, there never was a problem...

It seems to me that this is what I did successfully sometime ago, but like I said, I cannot check right now.

-Maukka

pauley · Post by **pauley** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:33 pm

Any good tutorials on IFOEdit and VOBEdit? Or is it pretty much learn by reading the forums? I found one site (which is linked from IFOEdit) that claims to provide DVD structure information, but it requires payment. I'm somewhat dubious paying for the info.

Pauley

Dethroner · Post by **Dethroner** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:40 am

Maukka wrote:But why not simply make a "Subtitle Off" button, and then define the playlist for this button without any subtitle track at all?

Because subtitle command changes player config. Once it is changed, it remains intact until changed to other value or player is turned off. So selecting a playlist without subtitle track means subtitle track remains in its previous state.

In fact, it is quite easy to implement a command to switch subtitles off, the command is the same that one that turns them on except for one data bit. I don't remember exact bit layout, the idea is that one bit controls turning subtitles on/off while the rest are responsible for subtitle track selection. Combine these bits makes it possible to change default subtitle track without turning subtitles on, etc. And I still can't get why Ulead didn't just add "Subtitles off" item into action combo box for track selection button.

pauley wrote:Any good tutorials on IFOEdit and VOBEdit?

Have you tried Doom9? There's a guide on DVD Authoring in IfoEdit and many additional info about DVD including DVD structure info and FAQs.

There are also a lot of guides and info at http://www.videohelp.com/

pauley · Post by **pauley** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:10 pm

Thanks for the links.

Pauley

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:57 pm

Dethroner wrote:I have tried a dummy subtitle track too, but didn't like the result since DVD player's subtitle function shows that subtitle is still ON (though with dummy track selected). Not a big problem, but it there is a common approach for that, so I couldn't agree with this workaround. Finally I found a workaround to change the button function using IFOEdit. Here's what I've done:

Create a DWS project with single subtitle track and Subtitles menu containing two buttons, each of them set to select the same subtitle track. No dummy subtitle track is needed!

After finishing the project, select an option to create DVD folders on disk.

Open the VIDEO_TS.IFO file (it is in VIDEO_TS subdirectory of output folder) with IFOEdit.

Expand the VMGM_PGCI_UT branch in IFOEdit's top pane and find the subtitle selection menu.

There are a lot of menus there, but you need one that has two similar (SetSTN) Set Subpicture Stream Nr Post-Commands in the IFOEdit's bottom panel.

Right-click the second (SetSTN) Set Subpicture Stream Nr command, select Edit Command, change the On/Off combo to Off and click OK.

Save the VIDEO_TS.IFO file. When program asks whether to save the .BUP file click Yes.

Go back to DVD Workshop, go to Finish stage and click the ISO button.

select "DVD Folder", browse for the output folder and then burn it.

Of course, it is a good idea to backup the .IFO and .BUP files for the case if something goes wrong. For testing purposes, it is better to burn the project to rewritable media first to make sure everything works right.

P.S. One thing I cannot understand is Ulead's approach towards this question. How could it happen that authoring software packed with professional functions like DLT tape export does not allow to create a button to turn off subtitles?

Sorry for the late reaction but it won't work for me.
When my project is ready i can never find the option to create dvd folders on disk without writing the dvd.
So, i builded the dvd and i wanted to change it then but i can't find all this stuff in ifoedit video_ts.ifo but only in video_ts_01.ifo. I changed it their i tried to change everything stream 1-2 or 3 nothing works. It still shows everything. It also is an pre-command, not a post command.
What can i do?? I only created 1 subtitle track in ulead dvd workshop.

Thanx

uforobograndizer · Post by **uforobograndizer** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:08 pm

This is what Ulead had to say:

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You can create a subtitle menu where you assign a subtitle track to a button that is linked to a particular video. However, DVD WorkShop 2 currently does not have a feature to turn off the subtitle via the menu. You can assign a dummy track for it that contains no subtitle text and make a button for it to turn off the subtitle.
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I am personally very disappointed because I expected this to be an abvious function in such a sophisticated software. It is unprofessional to have to add a sub-title dummy track to have an "off" function simply because you will have 3 tracks! One with sub-titles and two that are off buttons.

Helge · Post by **Helge** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:58 pm

I just put a description in the tutorial section of how do do it. Please look at http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 1938#61938