Transistion on Overlay affects Video Track

[Ron P.]

Well I guess Jan's out of the office... He wanted me to "Have a great Christmas"... That's what I call an extended vacation..

[Black Lab]

You are persistent!

[bjtap]

Two later developments regarding this problem:

1) The 1.1 update did not change anything. I did not expect it to after reading the documentation.

2) I recently reinstalled the operating system (Windows 7 Pro). The first program I reinstalled was VSX4, I wanted to see what happened with a clean install of the OS. The problem continued. This leaves the conclusion this is a VideoStudio problem, apparently dating back to X2. (My currently four other installed video editing programs and two uninstalled video editing programs do not and did not exhibit this undesirable behavior.

Thanks for resending the email regarding this problem.
Barry

[MikeA]

In case my voice (just one user) can help effect a fix, I am completely in sympathy with the complaint. A transition applied to overlay clips should not impinge on the main video track. It is quite reasonable to have a slide show, for example, playing in a corner of the whole screen, and within that slide show for the clips to transition between themselves without that transition impacting the rest of the screen. I can imagine myself wanting to do that kind of thing. So I think it should be fixed unless a majority of users want the opposite. I haven't seen any opposition so far though.

M

[Ron P.]

Just to update this, Jan replied to my email, with "We're scoping out the work". I had to pry that out of him. His initial reply was they were aware of the behavior. I really don't know how to interpret that...

@Jeff (Black Lab),
Yes I'm persistent when it comes to blatant bugs that have gone on for years. If they don't provide a patch to fix this in VS X4, I'll hammer them again when they roll out VS X5 Alpha or Beta...

[Radioman62]

Yes I'm persistent when it comes to blatant bugs that have gone on for years. If they don't provide a patch to fix this in VS X4, I'll hammer them again when they roll out VS X5 Alpha or Beta...

Great Ron, keep it up.
This is one of those bugs that, when you find out about them, gets you sad and tired.

I was on to do something more advanced and get use of the overlaytrack which I haven't used at all so far in my videos, but thanks to this thread I know what I can't use. It's an awful bug and the worst thing is that it havent been discovered until this year.
So, maybe Corel thinks it's not to many users having trouble with it and can get away with saying "we are aware of the problem"?

This was a good and informative thread, thanks.

[waynemchugh]

Thanks for pursuing this Ron. Count me in. The overlay track can be overcome in some instances by creating the overlay clip first, but not if you're fading in over the main track. I'm using the text overlay and simply trying to crossfade it in and out to soften its appearance/disappearance, but the whole clip goes black and fades in/out with it. It is an embarrassing bug for the VideoStudio dev team, and makes a great improvement (I was on X2) unusable.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi

The transition effect was noticed a long time ago, certainly VS 9 showed similar effects it is not just associated with the overlay tracks but also shows in the top/main track depending on the tracks content. However the use of overlay transitions has highlighted this problem.

Normally the top tracks clips will fill the entire frame, however if you are creating a slide show and using portrait images then the image will sit in the centre with a border left and right.
Apply a transition, some will effect the image only whilst others will also transform the background.

The list below are some that I think work on the image only, Most of the transitions affect the entire screen.

Arrows
Blinds 3D
Box – Wipe
Bar – Wipe

All Build types

All Clock types

FX-Arrows
Cross-fade
Diamonds
Dissolve

Wipe types
Arrows
Barn door

There may be others that work on clips only.

[bjtap]

Just came back to see the status of my original 'complaint'. I am glad to see others acknowledge this problem.

FYI: I download X5 and the problem still exists there. From what I can gather this has been going on for several versions (even back to Ulead versions) and 'they were aware of the behavior' just really does not cut it! I cannot imagine why Corel would allow such an obvious problem to continue on for so long.

Barry

[pvreditor]

I read this thread and wonder if there is a work-around. What if you took the clips that you want to have in the overlay track and simply edited them with the transition effects you want, then rendered just those clips/transitions? That way, all the effects would be in the rendered video. Let's call that the "insert video." Then create the main video and put the insert video on the overlay track. The transitions in the insert video will now not affect the main video track.

I took a few minutes to create what I described:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vG2842B3eM

Yeah, it's a work-around, it takes more time and it may not be convenient for all circumstances. But it should work for some circumstances.

Edit: I now have linked a second version of this test video, this time with insert photos that are 1920 x 1080. I think that looks better to demonstrate the effect.

Bob Kovacs
http://www.bobkovacs.com

[bjtap]

Bob,
Yes, I can do as you and at least one other person suggested... but why should I?

Video Studio is the only video editing software that has this 'feature' and I do not see why I should bother.

I have many other video editing programs and will continue to use those where I do not have to do a workaround. Every once in a while I will come back to see if Corel removes this 'feature'... but I do not have high hopes they will since the problem has existed for many versions. Apparently, Corel does not believe it is a serious enough concern or cannot fix it.

Thanks for replying,
Barry