Transistion on Overlay affects Video Track

[bjtap]

When I apply a transition to a clip on the overlay track (and/or title track) the transition is applied to the video on the video track... even if the clip on the video track is 'in the middle' to where the transition is on the overlay track. e.g. If I apply a dissolve (or any transition) to the overlay clip... the clip on the video track will go through said transition also. VSX4

In other words, the clip on the video track goes through the transition applied on the overlay or title track.

This does not seem right. I saw nothing in preference that would affect this and I saw no way of 'de-parenting' the video track with the overlay or title track. (By de-parenting I mean separating the tracks so what happens on one does not affect the other.)

Any advice?
Thanks, Barry

[Black Lab]

An overlay track does just what it says - it overlays, or goes on top of, the other tracks. So it sounds to me as if it is working correctly.

[Ron P.]

I've tried to replicate this, and can not. I have a video clip in the main video track, photos in one overlay track with a cross-fade transition, and then 2 titles in the title track, and they cross-fade. The transitions are all off-set to not happen simultaneously. The video track shows no sign of being affected by the transitions in the other tracks.

[GuyL]

Some transitions seem to affect the entire project while others don't. However, I can understand this may not be the desired result. I would recommend you put what you are doing in the overlay track into a separate project and render it out to a file and then place the resulting file in the overlay track.

I've tried it and it does affect the main video track but to what extent seems to largely depend on the transition being used.

[bjtap]

Thanks for all those who replied.

I just tried out the same thing on 4 other video editing programs. (I could list them if one requests). In no other case did the transition placed on a overlay track affect the video clip on the video track. It makes absolutely no sense to me that a transition placed on one track would effect a video clip on another track.

I find it hard to believe that Corel would program VSX4 that way... I was just hoping I missed a setting somewhere.

Barry

[Ron P.]

What specific transition(s) are you using? Describe your setup, video in main video track, or photos. What do you have in the which overlay tracks... ect.

Are you referring to some of the 3D, like the Flying Cube, Flying Clip? Those transitions, I agree don't behave correctly. We noticed this a few versions ago, however I guess that's the way they want those to work, or just use them in the Main video track.

I went through most all of the transitions, and there are several that have an effect on other tracks. I'm not sure why this is, but I do see what your referring to now. It seems that the simple ones, like cross-fades don't affect the other tracks. The more complex ones do though.

[BrianCee]

bjtap - what you are describing is NOT the way VideoStudio works - it doesn't happen for any of us. Could you explain exactly what you mean - if you have the overlay track filling the preview screen then of course you see the transition filling the preview screen , but are you saying that if you have a small picture from the overlay track on screen (like a 'picture in picture') then when the small picture goes through the transition the background also goes through that transition.

Please read what the others have said - we do not expect the result you have described unless there is something wrong with your installation of VS.

[AussieTX]

I think what bjtap is trying to do is transition between to pics in an overlay track that are obviously smaller that the back ground image on the Video track.
When using a transition like a wipe it covers the entire screen. I have come across this before myself but the reason is the overlay track I believe IS always the entire screen and not just the size you make your picture/video on that overlay.
Here is a screen shot of what I think he is talking about.
The Texas Star is on the video track and the 2 pics are on Overlay track #1 with a wipe transition between them.
Notice how the wipe covers the entire screen and not just the pics on the Overlay track.

[Ron P.]

Brian and others,

What bjtap is explaining is correct. Actually this was first discovered with VS X2, which is the first version VS allowed applying transitions to clips in overlay tracks. The "Fades", such as cross-fade, fade-in, Fade-out do not behave this way. However if you apply most of the others, especially the 3D transitions, you'll find that it does affect the underlying tracks. I tested this in a couple of the competitor's programs, Magix and Sony Vegas, finding that such 3D transitions do not affect the underlying tracks. Basically they behave properly. If you apply a transition to clips in overlay tracks, are you wanting the clip in the Main track to transition at the same time?

Aussie,
I think your correct in that the transition is the entire screen, however, not completely. If that were 100% true, when you apply a cross-fade or fade-in/out, it would cause the clip in the main video track to fade accordingly, and it doesn't.

Clip demonstrating what bjtap is referring to.

[bjtap]

"are you saying that if you have a small picture from the overlay track on screen (like a 'picture in picture') then when the small picture goes through the transition the background also goes through that transition." Yes, exactly.

"it doesn't happen for any of us" Apparently it does happen to others.

"I think what bjtap is trying to do is transition between to pics in an overlay track that are obviously smaller that the back ground image on the Video track." Essentially you are correct except I am not using 'pics'... I am using picture in picture video. The video clips are the same size but I am making the overlay track videos smaller for the picture in picture effect.

"Describe your setup, video in main video track, or photos." In all cases I am dealing with video and no pics. I find the problem exists with all transitions selected from the FX tab. (I have tried about a dozen transitions).

I thank all those who have responded. Apparently Corel has a big problem to correct. The transitions placed on the overlay track should not affect video on other tracks.

[Ron P.]

FWIW, this has been brought to Corel's attention. We will have to wait and see if they choose to change it.

[Ron P.]

No for the overlay tracks, you must first overlap them, then you can drag and drop the transition to the one created by the overlapping.

[bjtap]

This is what support had to say about this problem:

Thank you very much for your e-mail.
Right now I don;t think we do have a fix for this, but the development team will surely fix this issue if it affects a large number of costumers.
Please do not hesitate to contact us for any further questions.

Kind regards,
Robby
Corel Customer Support

[Black Lab]

but the development team will surely fix this issue if it affects a large number of costumers.

So is that 5 customers? 20? 100? 1,000?

[Ron P.]

I've re-sent an email to Jan and Yvonne about this, since I've not heard back from the first email I sent back in February. It will probably go ignored, but I'm still trying, for just a little while longer anyway...