X3 & Editing 1080/50p Video

[Ken Berry]

Good luck with Edius -- it is certainly not cheap! In the meantime, I have sent you an email with my email address... I am mystified why there is no email icon for me, right next to the PM one... There is on my screen...

EDIT: Nope! My email message to you just bounced. Apparently you no longer use your original Optus address. So I will send mine via a PM!!

[jmone]

Thanks - got the e-mail, upated mine and sent you the clip. There are also bigger clips at VIMEO like this one - EDIT - WRONG LINK
Nathan

[jmone]

Sorry - bad link above (note: apparantly for "Std" users VIMEO transcodes raw footage tow 720p after a week) but here is a forum for them http://vimeo.com/groups/native1920x1080 ... videos/rss
and here is a direct link to a native 1080/60p (US vers of the Cam) http://vimeo.com/groups/native1920x1080 ... s/15648089

[erdna]

Agree, and sorry for the wrong info. I only red the HD writer manual some months ago, and I remembered that there was a problem. When now verifying again I see that 50p is OK but the problem is that you need the camcorder to write back the edited video to the SD memory first. So, I think Ken will not be able to edit and save 50p with the HD writer.

[Ken Berry]

And I'm afraid he's right...! The Add method will not work to create a new template, and I tried it not only on the two computers on which I have X3 installed, but also X2 just to be sure. As jmone says, you only get the SD DVD default properties, which defeats me! Sorry... So it seems that X3 simply curls up its toes at replicating the format, even though -- again as jmone says -- it can play it just fine...

[jmone]

Agree, and sorry for the wrong info. I only red the HD writer manual some months ago, and I remembered that there was a problem. When now verifying again I see that 50p is OK but the problem is that you need the camcorder to write back the edited video to the SD memory first. So, I think Ken will not be able to edit and save 50p with the HD writer.

Odd - Using HD Writer, I can
1) "Copy from the Cam --> PC
2) Edit on the PC (without the Cam attached)
3) Save as a 1080/50p file to the PC just fine (no need for the Cam)

[jmone]

And I'm afraid he's right...! The Add method will not work to create a new template, and I tried it not only on the two computers on which I have X3 installed, but also X2 just to be sure. As jmone says, you only get the SD DVD default properties, which defeats me! Sorry... So it seems that X3 simply curls up its toes at replicating the format, even though -- again as jmone says -- it can play it just fine...

Thanks Ken - it is what I had found but good to have it confirmed.....even if it is not good

[jmone]

Good luck with Edius -- it is certainly not cheap!

You can say that again! V6 is also not out till the end of the month...

[erdna]

[quote=Odd - Using HD Writer, I can
1) "Copy from the Cam --> PC
2) Edit on the PC (without the Cam attached)
3) Save as a 1080/50p file to the PC just fine (no need for the Cam)[/quote]

Thanks jmone, in that case I will have to re-read the manual (and use better glasses !). I uninstalled the HD writer sone time ago, but I think I will re-install it again...

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Nathan

Regarding Direct X…try using the DirectX Redist (June 2010) option from

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/r ... FC422D1388

This should download a file, run the file to extract its content, save to a new folder on the desktop, then run DXSETUP.exe to install files.

[jmone]

Thanks Trevor - did that... Did not help the issue however!

[jmone]

FYI - X3 transocdes and burns these files just fine to both DVD and Blu-Ray (converts down to half rate from the original file to 14.4Mbps 1920*1080 (16:9) at 25fps AVC (PAL) (High@L4.0)(CABAC/2Ref Frames)). Good to know that I can distibute the format on both DVD and Blu (I have a burner and blanks for both formats). Shame I can not use X3 to exit and save the original footage in X3. So looks like I will have to for now:
1) Basic FIle editing in "HD Writer" and
2) Use X3 if I need to create a Disc (ether DVD or Blu)

Thanks
nathan

[jmone]

Mmmm burn a DVD in X3 from 1080/50p material and it does not look very good - lots of artifacts and judder....oh well...

[jmone]

FYI - I've had a play with a few other options (Edius Neo 3, CS5, Vegas) but it looks like the "best" so far for supporting exporting 1080/50 or 60p (with smart render ! ) is Cyberlinks new PD9 though it may have some issues (see http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/14176.page ).

I take it there has been no VS Update to handle outputing these files yet?

Thanks
Nathan