Bluray

[bob816]

I tried buring my first bluray disc and got something that is not recognized in any player except that powerDVD9 plays the menu sound.
The process says it burned without error. I don't want to try it again until I know it will work. Any pointers?

[Ken Berry]

Hi Bob! Welcome to the forums!! But I am afraid we are going to need more information before anyone can give any assistance. Imagine if you rang a car mechanic and said "My car doesn't work ... though the horn still blows. Can you fix it?" The mechanic cannot see the car, doesn't know what model it is or what might have happened to make it not work. In the same way, we don't know what you did to make the Blu-Ray disc. What video did you use in it? Where did it come from -- make and model of the video camera? What editing did you do to it? Did you burn an AVCHD Blu-Ray disc or an mpeg-2 version? Which version of Video Studio are you using? What is the make and model of your Blu-Ray player? Come back with that sort of information, and hopefully somebody will be able to help out.

[bob816]

Okay, fair enough. It is a little complicated but here it is as brief as possible;This is 8mm film transfered to a Sony HD camera 1920x1080 taken into a computer via Adobe software to uncompressed .AVI files. These are then process through virtual dub for, cropped to 1472 x1080, deshaked and run through neat video for noise (a proesses better than anything Corel can do). That .AVI output is then captured into the latest version Corel Video Studio X3, edited, level corrected, time corrected etc then "shared". It make standard DVD's fine (except for aliasing caused by the Mpeg compression that I have a way around...but that is another story).This is all done at 16:9 format.
I made the blu ray using a new liteon bluray burner on a Verbatim disc. (The same one the DVD's were made on that worked)
I made many other files from this project and they all play on the computer fine using the various players. It is only the bluray disc that does not work. The bluray drive plays BD discs fine. Need any more info?

[bob816]

I am new to this forum and not sure where I should post to. I noted that my last post did not get an answer. Do I have to start a new question?

Anyway, here is another question along those lines. I tried to burn another bluray, this time with a project I resized to 1920x1080 letter boxed.
1st question, Doesn't corel do this if your files are not 1920? Mine were 1472x1920 and they did not burn a disc with DVD factory. Sop I resized them with Virtual Dub to 1920x1080 and tried again to burn a BD.

I started DVD movie factory last night to burn this 1.5hr project to a bluray in h264 format. It has been running for 13 hours and appears about 10% done on the green bar. I have not seen disc space disapear since I first looked at it at 7am. It is now 2pm and I see no progress except the processors are runing at 97% and the disk is being read and writen to according to the resource meter.
The files are uncompressed .avi file the are about 625GB total but should it take this long???? Should I stop it and try something else? What?

[Ken Berry]

Sorry no one has answered so far. I couldn't offer a specific answer, apart from asking for that extra information, for the simple reason that I don't have a Blu-Ray burner and so have never burned a Blu-Ray disc apart from hybrid AVCHD discs burned to standard DVDs with a BD structure. I was thus hoping that someone with molre hands-on Blu-Ray experience might step in... The only practical advice I could have offered would have been to reduce the burn speed to well below the rated speed of the blank discs you are using. At least with SD DVDs, this allows the burning laser more time to firmly embed the signal in the disc, and thus raise the chances of a wider variety of reading lasers on stand-alone players to be able to read the signal without jumping or stopping.

However, now that you have provided more information, there are one or two other possibilities you may need to consider. You say:

This is 8mm film transfered to a Sony HD camera 1920x1080 taken into a computer via Adobe software to uncompressed .AVI files. These are then process through virtual dub for, cropped to 1472 x1080, deshaked and run through neat video for noise (a proesses better than anything Corel can do)

But I am mystified as to why, if the video was originally captured in HD 1920 x 1080 format -- which I assume was AVCHD -- and then cleaned up with those various programs, that you should have thought it necessary to convert it to uncompressed AVI. Apart from being huge, uncompressed AVI in that large 625 GB amount is pretty much of a mouthful for any computer to have to handle. But that is not the only complication here, I suspect.

From what you say, I think you have simply fed this AVI straight into DVD Factory as it was, and then expected DVD Factory to both convert it back into AVCHD and then burn it to disc. While that is theoretically possible, you have two things working against you. First, AVCHD is the most difficult and demanding video format currently on the market. Second, DVD Factory is really a useless program, and even when working well is incredibly slow. But in this case, you have fed it that huge AVI and asked it to convert it to this most difficult AVCHD format, and do so as part of an already complicated burning process.

Although you don't say why you wanted an AVCHD Blu-Ray, as opposed to the normal mpeg-2 variety, if you wanted AVCHD, again I can only ask why, if you started out with AVCHD you did not leave it in that format in the first place and just use your various other programs to clean it up in that format?

Next, I would be be doing my edits in whatever format you finally choose, but then, when finished editing, don't jump straight to the burning process. Instead, first produce a new video file in the final format you want to burn it in, in this case AVCHD. If you maintain AVCHD throughout the editing process, then all you need to choose is Share > Create Video File > Same As First Clip. This will produce an AVCHD file of the whole project with exactly the same properties as your original video. Be warned, though, this will take quite some time for a project that length -- at least 6 hours, possibly up to 9 or 10!! (I told you AVCHD was demanding!!! )

Then when you have that new file, I would forget about DVD Factory. Even Corel now acknowledges it was a big mistake, and they have made Movie Factory 7 SE available as a substitute. Look at one of the sticky threads at the top of this forum for all the necessary information on it, but essentially you have to click on the little circle of dots with an arrow in the top right of the X3 screen, then choose the Get More tab on the box which appears, and download and install MF 7 SE. Then insert your new file in that and burn your Blu-Ray...

[bob816]

I also have version 7 and will try that later. The files from the camera are not AVCHD, they are uncompressed RGB.avi files. This is a high end film transfer system with a special projector done at a professional production studio. I am using his work flow up until Corel. We end up with super8 film looking like DVD quality.

Update on DVD factory: the green bar has moved about 2% since 11am! So it is working, just extremly slow. Thanks for your input. I will let you know what I end up with.

[Ken Berry]

Thanks for the clarification -- though it still sounds a bit strange that they have to produce uncompressed .avi. My confusion of course arose since you said the camera was a high definition (HD) producing 1920 x 1080 output. That matches any description of an AVCHD camera.

But my suggestion about first converting the file to AVCHD (if that is what you want on your Blu-Ray) before starting the burning process.

Incidentally, "version 7" i.e. Movie Factory 7 SE, has absolutely no relationship whatsover -- none, believe me -- to the ill-starred DVD Factory. The latter should just be buried and forgotten...

[bob816]

Well the DVD Factory did make progress. It was 15% complete afte 36 hours then it stopped working. I went back to X3 and created a H.624 1920x1080 file that took 12 hours. It plays fine from the file. I then ran Movie Factory and that stopped writing to the disc near the end with an buffer overrun error. Nothing else is running on my computer. I do not see any control in Movie factory to slow the burn to 1x. I tried it again, this time with a two pass with the same results at around the same place. Suggestions?

[Ron P.]

Buffer Underrun..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_underrun

Do you have the box checked on the Burn step.. Buffer Underrun protection? This is found by clicking the "i' on the disc icon, bottom left. Then you get this dialog:

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[bob816]

It is grayed out unlike my regualar DVD recorder. This may be a problem with the liteon drive. (?) I just ordered a BD-RE disc.
I wanted to burn at a lower speed but that is also grayed out and set for maximum. I have not found a way to change that. The drive properties show a maximum speed of 30x which is more that the liteon drive supports. I checked Liteon for software updates and found none. Their specs say it has underrun protection and auto speed control built in.

[bob816]

Breaking NEWS....
I believe that Movie Factory 7.0 is at fault with my problems with burning Bluray discs. It failed twice with the same buffer underrun error after all the data appeared to be writen to the discs. I used Cyberlink Producer to burn the same H.624 Mpeg file to another disc and it works perfectly. It did not have the max speed grayed out nor the underrun protection uncheckable as movie factory did! The only difference is that I did not have chapters created for the project. Has anyone seen this problem that can shed some light upon it?

[aljimenez]

This is not meant as an insult, but you are doing something most of us dream of doing in the future. This is why you are not reading many suggestions here. I do not yet own a Blueray player (I know I am in the dark ages). I am learning from you as most of us here... Al

[bob816]

I don't know what you mean that I am not reading suggestions. Your the only one that reasponded to my last post or I am missing posts somewhere else?
This appears to be a problem with DVD Movie Factory 7 SE. I wil start a new post.

[bob816]

Alls well that ends well. The 8mm film project is complete. I created two original versions of the HD 8mm uncompressed avi files using Virtual Dub. One at 1440x1280 to produce a Bluray disk and one at 720x480. The latter was created to avoid the aliasing problem with COREL encoding of HD to SD.(seen easily with staircasing on diaginal lines). From these files, I burned a bluray disc and a DVD but had to use Cyberlink bluray suite since DVDfactory 7se kept crashing! Cyberlink worked fine. I hope Corel is listening.

Now on to standard Bluray file production using AVCHD output from a consumer Sony camera.
I foound a problem with Corels antishake filter. It is causing horizontal breakup of groups of scanlines. Anyone else experience this?

[HMH]

I am also having a problems with buffer underrun when trying to burn a bluray disc in DVD Movie Factory 7 SE. I have a newly built pc. I am using a Lite-On IHBS212 R drive. I had no difficulties burning DVD's of the same video, however, I had to burn them on two separate DVD's. When I tried to burn it on a bluray disc it failed with a buffer underrun error. The media I am using is BD-R VERBATIM 96769 25G 4X 10P. These came with the burner. Right now the only programs installed are Video Studio Pro X3 and the programs that came with it and the cyberlink programs that came with the burner. I do have Sophos antivirus, but I disabled everything on that and disabled the internet to see if that helped.