Working with Canon 5D Mark II files

[Eyedesign9]

Hello all,
I need some help with Videostudio Pro X3. I need to be able to edit the files from a Canon 5D Mark II using the software, I'm on a windows system. At the end of the editing process the file should conform to these standards;

Format = Quicktime

Codec = PhotoJPEG, MJPEG-A/B, HDV, or DV

Compression = 3:1, 95%

Frame Size = min 720 x 480 max = 1920 x 1080

Here are the steps I'm using, convert the files into PhotoJPEG codec using MPEG_Streamclip. Open the converted files into Videostudio Pro x3. At this point if I try doing anything to the files the program crashs. The program works great if I convert files into an AVI, so I'm thinking it must be something I'm doing wrong with the files.

Thanks

[Ken Berry]

Your camera -- a very nice one indeed! -- films its video in full high definition 1920 x 1080 mpeg-4 AVCHD using the h.264 codec. What I can't find out is what extension the video files use when they are transferred from camera to computer, before you do any of your conversions to them... Is it .m2ts or .mts, or indeed something else?

But either way, to my mind it is totally pointless converting them to the very strange (for video) Photo JPEG or even the now archaic MJPEG format. However, the real problem for you with that format from the camera is that your computer is just not up to the job of editing, let alone playing, AVCHD video. For that you need a minimum of a decent Core 2 Duo processor, or preferably a Quad or something higher. AVCHD is the most demanding of all current video formats.

That being said, I would be converting your clips to HDV high def mpeg-2) so as to main the original high definition quality. Your computer could probably handle that format as it is far less demanding of computer resources. And then you could edit it and convert it to Quicktime format once you have finished.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi

I have a Canon 7D, well the wife has a 7D.
I think it will record in the same format, mine uses the Mov extension.
It has a few options 1920 x 1080 and 1280 x 720, as Ken says to H264 avc.

There have been a few posts regarding these types of camera,
http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php ... 7d#p202139
Maybe worth a read.

Right click a video clip and select properties, what are they?

Can you tell us what you intend to make with your video files.
A DVD, HD BluRay, or maybe for the internet.

We can then advise you what to convert the video to.

[Eyedesign9]

Thanks guys for the info! The clips I make will be submitted as stock footage. I also understand my computer is not the best for this type of work. This is were I'm at now in the workflow, download the images from the camera on to my computer. Next select the clips I would like to use, and place these into a selected folder. Then I transcode these clips using MPEG Streamclip into the PhotoJpeg codec. If I then try working with these files in Videostudio Pro X3 my system crashes. If I transcode them using MPEG-4 the system works just fine. My question is can I take these clips that have been transcoded into MPEG-4 (what are the pros vs cons of the format) and re-transcode them into required format of the stock house? While I've been a Pro-Photographer for over 20 years I'm new at this video thing. I'm very thankful for any help you guys can give me.

Thomas

[marcbi]

Hi,

This is a known issue when the version of Quicktime is > 7.6.3. If you have installed the last version of iTunes on your computer, you should get this error. .

There is thread on this forum about a crash during the rendering http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38432

There is no solution except convert your MOV files to WAV or uninstall iTunes+Quicktime and reinstall X3

I have also a 5DII and I opened a case about this problem few weeks ago and I've never received a solution from Corel .

I hope it helps you.

Regards

Marc

[Ken Berry]

...convert your MOV files to WAV

...I think that is supposed to be .avi... Or as I suggested, a better one would be to maintain the high definition by converting to HDV which is high definition mpeg-2.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi

You are not giving us any relevant details of your video file.
We don’t even know the properties of the original video files
I think my camera 7D produces the same format, but until you give us some details we have no idea………

I asked you to right click a video file and select properties, can you do that?
At least we will know just what we are dealing with.

I agree with Ken that re-coding the video files to another format is totally pointless.

If you ultimately need to create a particular format of the stock house, just what is that format.

What’s the problem with working with the original files then converting to the stock house format.

Again just what is the stock format.

Smart Proxy
This will help with editing, you should make sure this is activated and generating the relevant proxy files, it should help when using HD video and help when using a slower pc.

Photo jpeg
I use this format from a Panasonic TZ5 and have no problems.

QuickTime
Its not a new problem, I first noticed crashes after updating from VS9 to VS10, that’s a while back.
At that time I had to reinstall QT V6 to cure the problem, QT7 being provided with VS10.
I am now running X2/X3 with the latest QuickTime with no problems.

I believe your 5D produces Mov files, we will be sure when you tell us. But you don’t have crash problems using these files so why convert?

Again-- You are not giving us any relevant details………….

[Eyedesign9]

Hello Trevor,

Here are the file details.

Video.jpg (66.07 KiB) Viewed 10857 times

"agree with Ken that re-coding the video files to another format is totally pointless.

If you ultimately need to create a particular format of the stock house, just what is that format.

What’s the problem with working with the original files then converting to the stock house format.

Again just what is the stock format."

This is what the stock house is looking for:

VideoRequ.jpg (79.6 KiB) Viewed 10085 times

Thanks

[Eyedesign9]

So after doing a bit more reading here it looks like I'll have problem working with .mov files. The only way I'll be able to get them to work is by uninstalling iTunes, and loading an olders verison of quicktime. If I understand what I've been reading, its no way to uses this program and save the final product as a Quicktime clip with a PhotoJpeg, Mjpeg,-A/B, HDV, or DV codec. And if I convert the files into something the program likes (.avi) the I loss quality.

It was suggested by Ken "I would be converting your clips to HDV high def mpeg-2) so as to main the original high definition quality. Your computer could probably handle that format as it is far less demanding of computer resources. And then you could edit it and convert it to Quicktime format once you have finished."

Can this be done from within the program, or I'm I just missing something?

[AussieTX]

I too appear to be getting this same error.
I recently recieved a new Nikon Coolpix S6000 for Fathers Day and now VSX3 is crashing whenever I attempt editing of the Nikons .MOV files
Here are the properties of the clips in question....
http://doc-10-ak-docs.googleusercontent ... 5errkgsk44

I will try the suggestion of uninstalling VSX3 and then uninstalling Itunes before re-installing VSX3.
I would convert the files BUT I am so so close to finishing this project that I really don't want to start it again. I think the program re-installing will be less painful.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi

Thanks for the information, your camera does record to the same format.
I notice that you have used the 1980 x 1080 x 24 format
Video studio does not fully recognise the video with the Compression (Komprimierung) it should indicate H264…..
If this were showing I am sure that the option for First Clip when using Share Create Video File would be available.
I was unable to create a template using H264 and Quicktime, Identical to your canon files, so some change has to be made to your original video format.

The stock Format seems to want only QuickTime types?

I have run a few tests and rendered video files to different formats.
My source file was 27 seconds

Using the BluRay MPEG2 1920 x 1280 files

24 bits, 1920 x 1080, 25 fps
Upper Field First
(HDMV-PAL), 16:9
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 25000 kbps)
Audio data rate: 384 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)
81Mb


Ultimately you need Quicktime and the Stock Format seems to accept Mp4 Mov

Using Make Movie Manager to create a template to:-
QuickTime Movie Files
24 bits, 1920 x 1080, 23.976 fps
Frame-based
MPEG 4 Visual
100% Quality, 15 Key Frame Rate
None, 8.000 KHz, 8 bits, Mono

Can you try these settings to see if your are successful.

[Eyedesign9]

Thanks Trevor, It getting late here but I'll give this a try first thing in the morning. I'll let you know now this works out.

[Eyedesign9]

Okay Trevor that did the trick, thanks a ton!!

[AussieTX]

The removal of Quicktime and Itunes has fixed the issue for me. I guess if I re-install Itunes for the phone I'll have to use the batch converter on the .MOV files in the future.
I guess I'll also update my Corel support submission with this info incase it is of any help to their developers.
Thanks for the great forum. Without these notes I would still be stuck at 99% through my project.
Cheers
Pat

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Pat

Crashes caused by QuickTime is not a new problem, true it is related to updating QT.
I first noticed the problem when changing from V6 to V7, that was with the release of VS10.

You will find that your problem version will eventually work, I cannot explain this I just accept it.

I am using the latest version of QuickTime without problem so far………….

Glad you managed to get things working.

Mov files ……….there are many flavours of this type, yours will certainly be different to the ones used by Eyedesign9, so video studio may react differently to them.

It depends on what you intend to make as to whether you need to convert the files to another format.

I use a Panasonic TZ5, edit in Mov, render project to Mov. Then convert the new file to my output type.
For a DVD I would convert to Mpeg 2, for internet MP4 or Flash.

As I said it depends on what you intend to make.
Good luck with your project