X3 and MF7: Wake me up before you go go

[maxfrost01]

I'd like to upgrade from X2 to X3 but figure I'm going to wait it out until MF 7 SE is supplied as a standard part of the X3 package without resorting to "Get More" tabs and without having to exit X3 to use MF 7 SE.
If I understand the various postings on this topic it looks like there is a very real chance of this dream coming to pass.
So if any of you VS gurus hear the news before I do.............
Can you let me know?

[Accolades]

Hi,

All users as I know that have upgraded to X3 and havd issues with the Movie factory download have been satisfied after sending Corel a request with problem.

Some have been sent direct links to download and other a fix.

Do not put off getting X3.

ps Video Studio and Movie Factory are two seperate programs.
Once you have created your movie file from X3 selecting Movie factory from X3 Menu will close X3 and open Movie factory.

[maxfrost01]

Hi, Accolades

Thanks for your response.

All users as I know that have upgraded to X3 and havd issues with the Movie factory download have been satisfied after sending Corel a request with problem

Reading through the litany of complaints in other threads I came to a different conclusion.
My take on it is this:
1. X3 was released with authoring software inferior to X2
2. Corel have accepted they got it wrong and have tried to correct things by giving X3 buyers access to MF 7 SE. (Full marks to Corel and to Forum Evangelists for making this happen)
3. Whatever problems may exist in getting a copy of MF 7SE, it is, at present, a workaround. Users have to create a file in X3 then close X3 down, open up MF 7 SE and create a DVD.
4. Rumour has it (again, based on some postings in the forum) that Corel will create a patch that makes it possible to use MF 7 SE from within X3. That's when I will definitely upgrade.

If my take on the story is wrong, or the chances of point 4 actually happening are close to zip, then please tell me so.

Really value and appreciate views on this.

[Ken Berry]

Re (4), I think it would be wrong to think -- as I suspect you do -- that even if Corel made MF 7 SE accessible within X3, that it would operate the same as X2 and previous versions. As has been said innumerable times in other threads, MF 7 Pro or SE is a completely separate program. It may use the basic architecture and even some of the programming of the burning modules of X2 and earlier versions of VS, but it remains a separate program and as such would probably still require you to produce a new file for entry into it.

It would be lovely to think that you could go straight from project file in X3 into MF 7 SE for burning, but I suspect to do that, Corel would need to rewrite the whole programming of MF 7. It could take project files from X2 and earlier versions, but that was what it was written to do. That was before X3. In effect, if they rewrote the programming to allow what you want, they would in effect be creating MF 8, and unless I am badly mistaken, they have no intention of resurrecting MF except to correct this balls-up they made with the burning module of X3.

At best, they might allow MF 7 SE to be opened from within VS, but I suspect that is all it will be. I hope to be proven wrong and who knows but I will be. I hate the silly program they substituted (DVD Factory 2010); I was lucky enough to have bought MF 7 Pro when it was first released. But I agree with you that it remain a workaround to a silly decision by Corel. Luckily, I have reached the point where simply producing a file in High Def, whether HDV or AVCHD, meets my requirements since I can play that back directly via network and PS3 over my HDTV. Not everyone is going to be so lucky, or else will be even more lucky and have a Blu-Ray burner and player. But if so, they are going to have to go the way of first creating a new file and then burning it separately ... unless they revert to X2, or unless Corel come to their senses and revert to the old programming and build it into X3 and its successors...

[maxfrost01]

Aw, Ken - now you've confused me again

I was with you all the way in your well-ordered and logical message until you finished with this:

unless Corel come to their senses and revert to the old programming and build it into X3 and its successors

So which is it, Ken? Do you think Corel will stick with their MF 7 workaround or do you think they will build it (or something else) into X3?

Thanks,

[Ken Berry]

Well, if they included the MF 7 programming into the VS code, or even just copied the X2 burning module programming into the X3 code, it would be a major advance, I agree. Certainly they are very aware of what a mess they made of the original X3 burning module (DVD Factory 2010), so at least that might give them pause when they are producing VS X4, and they may then use MF 7 programming or even update it.

But I doubt very much whether they will do that with any re-issue of X3, apart, as I said above, from possibly including no more than a link in X3 to be able to start MF 7 SE from inside X3. And I also cannot see MF 7 SE accepting X3 project files -- only fully rendered videos.

[maxfrost01]

So, for X3, what we have is probably as good as it's likely to get.

Thanks for your views on this, Ken.
Much appreciated and highly respected.

Keep up the great work on the forum - without you and those like you I would have given up on VS long ago.
I really do like the software but without you guys I would have given up long ago.

[jonesg]

Well, if they included the MF 7 programming into the VS code, or even just copied the X2 burning module programming into the X3 code, it would be a major advance, I agree. Certainly they are very aware of what a mess they made of the original X3 burning module (DVD Factory 2010), so at least that might give them pause when they are producing VS X4, and they may then use MF 7 programming or even update it.

But I doubt very much whether they will do that with any re-issue of X3, apart, as I said above, from possibly including no more than a link in X3 to be able to start MF 7 SE from inside X3. And I also cannot see MF 7 SE accepting X3 project files -- only fully rendered videos.

I upgraded from VS 11.5+ to X3 this weekend and I was extremely disappointed with DVD Fatcory 2010. It is not user friendly and there are limited styles and decorations that come with it. The motion facility for the menus are welcome but besides that I would rather work in VS 11.5+. I only upgraded as I have recently purchased a Lumix Z38 which has AVCHD Lite movie mode that (hopefully) can be burned successfully on DVD Factory 2010. If not, I have wasted my money.
Ken - where is the facility in DVD Factory 2010 to download video files onto your hard drive (VS 11.5 saved them as .iso files)?

[Ron P.]

Unless you really like DVD Factory 2010, I would forget about it, look in the Do More section of the Corel Guide in VS X3, for DVD MovieFactory 7SE. Download it and install. With the SE version you can do everything that you could in the burn module of previous versions of VS.

[Ken Berry]

As far as rendering projects as a Folder or ISO in DVD Factory 2010, see as one example http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php ... 78#p191378 and other posts in that same huge thread -- both on the same page as that particular post by me and on p.7 of the same thread.

[Mav]

This is really a dogs breakfast with X3, it certainly does not work with Vista 64 bit OS and terminates immediately when the create disc is selected. Honestly the workaround for me is BS, I purchased an advertised product that just does not do what is advertised. Is there a way of getting a refund on this purchase as clearly it cannot do what it was advertised to do and is not suitable for the task of creating DVD's?

[Black Lab]

VS used to come with a 30 day guarantee. I assume it still does. Have you contacted customer service?

[Mav]

VS used to come with a 30 day guarantee. I assume it still does. Have you contacted customer service?

Yes the Corel online store still has the 30 day money back guarantee, I have just exercised my right to it today. I tried to call their supplied phone number several times but was never able to get through on it so I have done it through their email process.

A bit disappointing though as I was a user of VS version 7 and version 9 which worked fine back in their day but this latest offering is not ready for release in its current form imo.

[sjj1805]

This is really a dogs breakfast with X3, it certainly does not work with Vista 64 bit OS and terminates immediately when the create disc is selected......

Did you download the FREE DVD MovieFactory 7 SE that was released due to the problems with the original Authoring tool?

[Mav]

This is really a dogs breakfast with X3, it certainly does not work with Vista 64 bit OS and terminates immediately when the create disc is selected......

Did you download the FREE DVD MovieFactory 7 SE that was released due to the problems with the original Authoring tool?

No, I believe this is only made available after 3 days of having the licensed version installed. I have not reached that point as yet so the link is not available. Regardless of this though the product is not performing as advertised on the Corel website, this is a bandaid solution and requires importing a video file created in VideoStudio Pro X3 to be imported into a separate programe. When purchasing VS Pro X3 I did so under the belief that I can maintain my workflow from one application from capture to edit to burning the resulting DVD. This, as it stands with my OS, cannot be done as advertised by Corel hence my request for a refund on this product which I have already submitted today with the appropriate proof of purchase.