X3 - vector object w/ arrow key, preview font, edit hot keys

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Tanquen
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X3 - vector object w/ arrow key, preview font, edit hot keys

Post by Tanquen »

I've been using PSP for a long time and upgraded to X3. I had only used it a few times with my new Win7 (64-bit) install resizing photos. Then the other day I wanted to create some simple artwork and was just about ready to uninstall and ask for my money back. :(

Firstly crashing. I did download the new patch and hopefully there will be less or no more of that. It seems to be the case thus far. Before the patch I could not import or Acquire without first opening a new image. So that is nice. :)

Then I found I can't move vector objects with the arrow keys. (Shift+Arrow, Ctrl+Arrow and so on.) Sometimes it will move once then no more. With raster objects it works as it always did.

After that I found that I could no longer cycle through fonts with an active text string. Again, I can only once then no more.

Also, does anyone know how to change the dropdown menu hot keys? I did this before but can't find the info on it. Many years ago someone in one of the News Groups showed me how.



Thanks for any help you can give.
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Post by LeviFiction »

Don't use vectors often. But I did some experimenting.

Moving Vector Objects

I think this is in another post but if you first select the vector object you want to move. Then select the text tool you can move the vector object around with the arrow keys just fine.

Don't ask me why you have to have the text tool selected to move all vector objects. It might be a bug.

Font selection scrolling
Now as for why you can no longer just arrow your way through the fonts list is because of the differences between using a dialog box to get text and entering text directly on the canvas.

When you're using a dialog box that box is a child of the main program. This child cannot have simultaneous focus with the main window. When the dialog box (window) is selected it has the main focus. When the toolbar is selected the main window has the focus and gains all of the key input.

With the new set-up the text is entered in a special mode in the main window so the main window always has the focus. And what they've done is they've defaulted key input to the new text mode. So all arrow keys are intercepted by the the text input in the same window.

It's a result that Corel made a decision on whether we agree with it or not. I say that because I do believe it would be possible to allow whatever control is active to have certain key functionality default to it.

Obviously that's mere speculation on my part but it seems the most reasonable. And it's what I've experienced with what little I've done with programming.


Customizing Hot Keys
However, to customize hot-keys go to View -> customize and select the Keyboard tab. Then select the command you want to change the hot keys for and give it a new hotkey.
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Moving Vector Objects
Yes, I'd say that is a bug. :) Other versions don't have this issue.
Thanks for the work around.
Not being able to select different tools while using the Text Tool is also frustrating.

Font selection scrolling
I just can't agree. Other programs handle this just fine, with or without a dialog box. Notably: CorelDRAW X4. Although it's really slow, at least it can do it. :(

Hot Key?
Yes, found that after some searching but I'd like to change the letter used while the dropdown menu is open. Not sure what to call that but I guess it's really not a Hotkey. Every program I use (lucky I guess?) uses the letter C to close the active document. Is also this way in CorelDRAW X4 and used to be in PSP. I don't know why they changed it.
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Post by LeviFiction »

I'm not saying that they had to make the text tool work that way. I just meant that because of the differences in how they would normally work this either wasn't taken into consideration or they made a choice on which open object would get the focus of the arrow keys.

As for using C in the File Menu to close the active document.

Yeah don't know why they changed it either. But it's not a big enough deal for me to worry about.

However here's how you change that...hopefully I can explain it well.

Open up the customize options again View -> Customize

Now with that dialog box open click on and open the actual menu. So in this case go over to the file menu and click on it allowing the menu to drop down.

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Right-click on the option you want to change. In this case the Close command. Select Menu Text from the context menu that pops up. You should now have a dialog with the text "Close" inside of it. Add an ampersand "&" infront of the letter you want to be a short-cut. In this case the "C" so it should look like this "&Close" and hit okay. Now the close option can be selected by just pressing C when the file menu is open.

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EDIT:
Oh I've got some extra news. Did some digging around. Apparently they had another tool called the object selection tool that would do the same for vectors as the pick tool does for rasters.

I'm assuming the raster tool was supposed to pick up both jobs but now no longer does. You can just hit "O" for that tool or add it to your tools from the customize dialog.

So that removes the need for that silly workaround.
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Post by Tanquen »

Seems really superfluous and the Pick Tool worked before and sometimes still kinda does and the tool tip help even says:
Pick Tool: Used to select, move, resize, reshape, and rotate layer and vector objects.

Still feels like a bug and the Object Tool don't even have any Learning Center info. How many selection tools do I need? :)

For the fonts I found that if I keep clicking inside the font list I can hit the arrow up and down. Still pretty lame.

Maybe other folks never use these tools but I use them all the time and it's a real hindrance to me. It's really disappointing that some really basic stuff is broken in this upgrade.

Thanks for your help though.
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Post by LeviFiction »

The interesting part of Paint Shop Pro is that when they upgrade certain tools or make better tools they don't necessarily remove the old tools. For example The Pick Tool is a combination of the Deformation Tool, and the Object Selection Tool.

However all of those tools still exist even though the Pick Tool has taken over. But Corel wants you to use the new tool and so removes mention of the others.

Another good example is Color Balance. Color Balance use to look like the Color Balance adjustment layer does now. The newer "better" version is really useful but the older version is still available for use.

And the difference is more than just the hotkey or tool selection it's also the difference between working sometimes and working all of the time. At least until they fix the problem.
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Post by Trev Bowden »

LeviFiction wrote:The interesting part of Paint Shop Pro is that when they upgrade certain tools or make better tools they don't necessarily remove the old tools. For example The Pick Tool is a combination of the Deformation Tool, and the Object Selection Tool.

However all of those tools still exist even though the Pick Tool has taken over. But Corel wants you to use the new tool and so removes mention of the others.

Another good example is Color Balance. Color Balance use to look like the Color Balance adjustment layer does now. The newer "better" version is really useful but the older version is still available for use.

And the difference is more than just the hotkey or tool selection it's also the difference between working sometimes and working all of the time. At least until they fix the problem.

Well thes tools and filters excist because Many scripts written befor corel call on them. Proberbley the best thing Corel has done .
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Post by Tim Morrison »

Tanquen wrote:Every program I use (lucky I guess?) uses the letter C to close the active document. Is also this way in CorelDRAW X4 and used to be in PSP. I don't know why they changed it.
In PSPPX2 they pinched the 'C' key in the File menu for "Launch Corel MediaOne". That menu item has gone now, but 'C' hasn't been returned to "Close".
There are quite a few little sloppy oversights in X3.
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