Rendering problems.

[radeon]

Hello.

Whatever output format I choose, I get artifacts in video files generated by Videostudio pro X3.
Problems: freeze of pictures, or unwanted acceleration or slow down in motion, or horizontal lines (mp4 files) ... sound and pictures are from time to time out of sync.
If I play such a file with linux OS, I get same problems at same moments. So, WMP or Seven/XP is not the clue.

I tried creating video under Xp or seven, with or without swap memory activated.
I updated DirectX with february file from microsoft. ***
I did a "chkdsk " on my hd partitions.( no errors)

As it stil does not work, I presume my Canon Legria HF200 is not compatible with Videostudio pro X3.

My computer is new, works fine under linux that can use it's 8 threads /12GB ram at 100 % cpu for days (blender needs this power)
Seven AND Xp are updated through Windows update.
I use the last Avast antivirus and the microsoft firewall.

I tried uninstalling Videostudio pro X3., rebooting, reinstalling it.
Editing works fine, computing always ends succesfully.
But my video files are corrupted; I can play them from beginning to end... with artifacts.

Something strange: my MTS files are using 50i format.
Videostudio pro X3 tells me they are in 25i format.
All my projects have problems, here is the one I use:

20' long
few texts, one music at the beginning and the end, only one cross fade effect. The movie took place on sunday; my wife is directing a concert, and I simply want to do a DVD and a HD disc.

All MTS files copied from HF200 to my pc can be viewed perfectly on my computer, under XP, Seven or Linux, so my source files are not involved too.

But event without effects, extra soundtrack and no texts, the avi or mpeg or m4 files have problems.

I have not already written to Corel, because may be someone here knows what can happen.


*** When I install vsprox3, it says "Please wait, DirectX is being configured" into french of course.
I am not sure it is a good thing to update directx after installing vsprox3.

I hope my english is good enough, so that you can understand.

[radeon]

I have seen an option in the share tab: "read your project" ( word by word translation from french to english)

it plays my project on a black screen with the movie in it's center.
And I do get same problems as those I get in AVI or mpeg files.

So I know it is not necessary to loose time computing a video, it will be easier to makes tries.

But I still do not understand ... unless HF 200files from canon are not compatible with VSProX3.

[radeon]

Here is a video file (48 mb - AVCHD) from my canon HF200
http://infrangible.fr/00007.MTS
25 seconds long

It was on sunday, before directing the concert, with all singers.***
It plays perfectly with windows media player, you can import it in VSPROX3.
You can play it in the small viewer top left corner from Vspro.

But if Iview it in "reading your project" sharing tab, top right line, I see my problem.

And then you cannot read it again in editing mode !

if someone could tell me if it plays OK or not in the sharing tab, it would be really useful for me.

Thanks in advance.


*** this shot is bad and will not be used, but is useful on this forum.

[radeon]

I made a test:

Converting my files under linux from 50 to 25 images per second.

Back to Seven and ...
I can make avi or mpeg files: it works without defects.

This means I cannot use the 50i mode.
This mode is a must to film my super 8 films, as I get less flickering.
super 8 is 18 i and filming at 25i makes 7 hz difference.

Does that mean I have to buy a MagiX or a Pinnacle software ?

This means VideoStudio X does not handle my 50i files.
it is supposed to be a HD editing software.


THANK YOU LINUX: you saved the DVD and HD film of my wife.

Unfortunately, there is nothing like VideoStudio X3 under Linux at this time.

I have to write to Corel now !

Regards.

[radeon]

Well, I learned the meaning of 50i: 50 half pictures interlaced.
It's good for moving objects.

F25 is 25 full images per second. They are not interlaced.
better probably for steady objects

So may be VideoStudio X3 can use my 50i shots.
I tried changing Projetc properties -> Modify -> General
trame,
lower,
upper
This does not solve my problem.

I found AVIDemux also runs on windows: this is what I used under Linux.

If someone is working with 50i pictures, please how do you set VideoStudio ?

I keep on searching and learn a lot: HD is really different !

[Ken Berry]

J'ai des bonnes nouvelles et des mauvaises nouvelles...! (For the French challenged amongst us, I have some good news and some bad news... )

First the bad news: I downloaded your test clip. For the sake of completeness it shows as AVCHD, Upper Field First, 16:9, 25 fps, VBR Max 16 Mbps and Dolby dual channel stereo 256 kbps. It shows the .mts extension in X3. It played back perfectly...

I then subjected it to a number of experiments.

1) First I went to Share > Create Video File > Same As First Clip. This output a file identical in properties to the original, but using the .mpg extension. As you described, it played back jerkily, with a number of stops and starts. I played it back in X3, WinDVD 9 and Media Player Classic - Home Theater, and all showed the same problems.

2) I then chose Create Video File > AVCHD. The MPEG Optimizer appeared, and I accepted its recommendation. Same result -- jerky playback.

3) I then did the same, but cancelled MPEG Optimizer and used instead the default X3 AVCHD 1920 properties (18 Mbps max). Same result.

4) I then used Make Movie Template Manager > Add to create two new templates which would use a different file extension. I did this because I was a bit puzzled that the other files I had produced used the .mpg extension. So I created a template to produce an .m2ts file (using a clip from a Panasonic SD 9 -- VBR max. 16.8 Mbps but processed into an AVCHD Hybrid disc). Same result.

5) I also created a Blu-Ray template using a file in a BDMV folder (H.264, Lower Field First, VBR max. 25 Mbps). Same result.

Now for the good news.

6) I have for nearly two years now been telling people that with high definition video, both AVCHD and HDV, you should NOT render it using SmartRender. In the first three experiments above, I used the default SmartRender. (The next two didn't apply since I was fundamentally changing the properties and so SmartRender would not work in any case...)

So now I used Create Video File > Same as First Clip, and then I clicked the Options button. *I then unticked the box besides Perform SmartRender.* The render took about 3 times longer. BUT -- to my eyes at least -- playback was smooth and quality remained very high.

7) For the sake of completeness, I also used Share > Create Video File > HDV 50i for HDV. It too took some time to render, but again playback was smooth and as far as I could see, the output quality matched the original. The difference of course is that HDV is mpeg-2, while AVCHD is mpeg-4.

So the basic message again seems to be -- DON'T USE SMARTRENDER! (Sorry that I shouted, but it is a lesson worth underlining... ) Or else convert to HDV...

I would be interested in any feedback you might have once you have tried this.

Bonne chance!!

[radeon]

Ken, thank you very much for all your explanations and tests.
And your french is really good ( I red your profile and understand why)

Your 2 solutions give good results.

This is why the above subject is "SOLVED".
I fell happy because now, I can start editing.
Of course I know I have to learn a lot, to get the best of VSProX3.

Now, I would also like to share some ideas.
I shall write a new subject for it.

Regards.

[radeon]

Well, I only focused on pictures, and indeed both solutions give good results.

But the sound starts approximately 3 seconds after the video, and ends 3" after the end of the video.

Deactivating Smartrender only solves half the problem.

I cannot split audio, because how could I synchronise it, as I want to show a concert.
I shall spend some more time tomorrow, write to Corel if I do not find how to.

Converting with AVIDemux 50i to fp25 is working, but it is a too heavy solution, I would simply like a software that manages my files.

Regards.

[radeon]

Well, The 50i mode of my Canon camcorder is not supported by VideoStudioProX3.
I made a 50i film with ImageMixer3 (delivered with my Canon): no problem
Then under Linux (Cinerella) No problem.

So I bought MAGIX VideoDeluxe E version online.
There is a pdf manual (445 pages)
As I was a user of Magix VDL 2006 and 2008, it was quite fast to do a fast editing to check how this Magix handles the AVCHD files from my Legria HF200:
no problem at all: no jerky pictures, no sound delay.
Then I downloaded all patches and plugins.
As I can compare with Corel VideoStudio Pro X3, I can tell you Magix offers a lot more.

With this software, I can import mp3 or ogg files, do a dvd without menus.
You can tune every rendering formats - very few settings here with the Corel Product.

Why did I bought the Corel product ? because of some commercials stating "I7 tuned", "color management".
Magix VDL also uses the 8 threads of an I7 processor, and also have color management tools.

Please, try to write and stick a kind of topic mentionning camcorders that can fully work or not with Corel VideoStudio.
Not for me as it is too late, but for the others.


Now, it's time for me to leave you, Corel users on this forum: I have registered on the MagixForum.
I wish you having fun with your best videos of course, but also the best in your life.
Again, thanks to those who give answers !

Regards.

Ps: here is what you get when you buy Magix videoDeluxePlus

[Ken Berry]

If you are still around, I would be interested to know if your output with Magix is AVCHD or HDV... I have Magix 15, and in my experiments with it, could not output in AVCHD. It converted AVCHD to HDV -- in other words, did what I did in one of my successful experiments with your video above.

[radeon]

Hello Ken.
As you speak french, here are some pages from the Magix vdl 16 manual about AVCHD.
You can download it here to check what is new compared to version 15:
http://dl03.magix.net/manual_vdlx16pls_fr.pdf

page 20
Formats d'importation et d'exportation
Fichiers vidéo : vidéo pour Windows et DV-AVI type 1/2 (*.avi),
MPEG-1 et 2 (*.mpg, *.mp2, *.mpeg), Quicktime (*.mov), vidéo
MAGIX (*.mxv), Windows Media et flux VOB de DVD (s'ils sont
enregistrés sans protection contre la copie), AVCHD (version deluxe
seulement), MPEG-4 (*.mp4) (après activation payante. Cette
activation est gratuite dans la version deluxe).
It was free for me, and at the beginning, I was often asked to activate something (product, Mpeg2, Avchd, and others few things)


page 26
Disque AVCHD (voir page 388) : cette option permet de graver un
disque au format AVCHD. Ce format Haute Résolution permet de
stocker 30 minutes de film sur un DVD ou 160 minutes de film sur un
Blu-ray Disc.


page 389
Disque AVCHD
Ce format vous permet de créer une vidéo en haute définition. La
gravure sur Blu-ray Discs (BD-R/RE) et sur DVD¡ÓR/RW vierges
courants, disponibles dans le commerce, est possible. À la différence
du Blu-ray Disc (voir page 387), les disques AVCHD utilisent le format
vidéo MPEG-4 / codec AVC : ce format nécessite moins d'espace
mémoire et offre la même qualité d'image. Par contre, il n'y a pas de
menu de navigation sur un disque AVCHD.
but this is not due to Magix
Conseil : afin d'apprécier pleinement la qualité des vidéos en haute
définition, il est recommandé d'utiliser un téléviseur Haute Définition.
Compatibilité
Format AVCHD sur Blu-ray Disc vierge : étant donné qu'il s'agit d'un
format compatible Blu-ray, il est possible de lire le disque créé dans
tous types de lecteurs Blu-ray disponibles dans le commerce. Si des
problèmes surviennent lors de la lecture, ils sont dûs la plupart du
temps à des incompatibilités entre le Blu-ray disc vierge et le lecteur
Blu-ray utilisés. Si vous êtes confronté à de tels problèmes, consultez
le manuel d'utilisation du lecteur Blu-ray ou demandez au fabricant
quels disques vierges sont compatibles avec votre appareil.
Format AVCHD sur DVD vierge : les DVD créés avec une vidéo au
format AVCHD ne sont pas pris en charge par tous les lecteurs Blu-
ray. Les compatibilités avec tel ou tel appareil sont très variables. Des
lecteurs DVD courants ne peuvent lire les disques AVCHD car ils ne
prennent pas en charge le format AVC.
Remarque : le codec MPEG-4 doit être activé (voir page 379) pour
l'importation et l'exportation de fichiers AVC et MPEG-4. Une boîte
de dialogue s'ouvre dès que le codec est requis. Les fichiers
présentant une résolution horizontale de plus de 768 pixels peuvent
être chargés uniquement avec Video deluxe 16 Plus.


There are some more details in the manual.

Regards.

[Ken Berry]

Ah! The good old Magix detailed manual!! It's really quite amazing... and many of the users of VS could only dream of having such detail...

On thing that stands out is that Magix does not produce AVCHD hybrid discs on blank DVDs... I note your comment that "this is not due to Magix". But I would have to say that it is... One of the good features of Video Studio -- both X2 and X3 -- is that it can provide a menu on such discs. Not all video editing programs can do it, but Video Studio is one of them. I have done it many times. It is slightly limited in the sense that it cannot be a motion menu (i.e. with a video playing in one of the menu frames). But otherwise, it is a professional-looking menu...

Mais encore une fois, bonne chance avec la "magie"...!

[radeon]

On thing that stands out is that Magix does not produce AVCHD hybrid discs on blank DVDs... ...

Mais encore une fois, bonne chance avec la "magie"...!

Well, Ken, I do keep VideoStudio pro X3.
I would say VideoStudio is easier to be familiar with, compared to Magix VideoDeluxe, because there are more features in Magix.

I have not burned anything yet, but it seems I can produce a basic menu on an AVCHD DVD with VieoDeluxe:
http://infrangible.fr/avchd2.jpg
http://infrangible.fr/avchd3.jpg
And it is stated also in the manual that it is possible ("They say yes, they say no" - like The Beatles song)
Probably they say no because the menu is very basic, and they say yes because you can get one menu.

As soon as I shall have red all the manual, I shall of course burn such an AVCHD DVD, and let you know if the menu works or not.
I suppose I need 1 week to do it.

Problem with the Corel product is that I get rendering problems when I use 50i files from my Canon HF200 camcorder.
Of course, it works with other file formats.

Regards

[Ken Berry]

Eh bien, ça! Tu as raison! Mais (heureusement?) je n'ai pas ce Canon HF200... Donc je ne peux pas confirmer ces problèmes... évidement, parce que je nai pas cet appareil...

[Ok right! You're correct. But (happily) I don't have that Canon HF200. So I can't confirm those problems ... obviously because I don't have that camera...]