jctarvin wrote:.......
Having read that it doesn't work with VSX3 project files, I exported a 2.2GB mpeg4 file from VSX3 and brought it into DMF7SE. This is a 26 minute video. .....
MPEG4 files generally come in at 700MB per hour - you said yours is 2.2GB which is something around 8 hours.
You need to export your video in MPEG2 format.
High Quality Standard Definition = 4.3 GB per hour.
My video was shot in HD. I am doing an experiment. I exported in 1920 x 1080 AVCHD (my video source is HD in that format). Since the video is short, it fits on a Standard DVD disk. Just don't yet know if my player will handle it.
What would be best quality export/burn for HD widescreen source on a standard def DVD player? All these options get really confusing to me.
There is Standard Definition - this plays in a standard definition player and also in a blue ray player.
There is High Definition (Blue Ray) - these player in a Blue Ray player (e.g. your Play station 3)
There is AVCHD.
AVCHD is a system where the boffins managed to squeeze up to 20 minutes of High Definition Video onto a Standard Definition Disc (They are cheaper)
BUT you need a Blue Ray Player (Or Play Station 3) to be able to use them.
All you can do is downgrade your High Definition Video to Standard Definition and create a traditional DVD.
(Or go out and buy a Play Station 3 etc.)
AVCHD is essentially short HD blu-ray video on a standard DVD disk. Blu-Ray is HD on a blu-ray disc. Both need to play in a blu-ray player.
So, I'll just save that AVCHD disk I created until I get a blu-ray player ;o) I've just finished creating it as a standard DVD which will get upscaled.
Do most blu-ray players handle AVCHD? I've been scouring through them on Google and there are tons of them.
Many thanks for your help. I'm such a newbie at this part of it.
Just to jump in a little belatedly here. But AVCHD is of course also a compatible Blu-Ray format in its own right. What Steve is talking about is more usually called an "AVCHD Hybrid Disc" -- hybrid because it is AVCHD high def burned in a Blu-Ray BDMV structure but on a standard definition DVD. Most, but not all, Blu-Ray players will apparently play such discs, but you would need to check each player to see if it is included in this list. PlayStation 3 certainly is.
You can also, of course, burn AVCHD to a full Blu-Ray disc.
Thanks Ken!! I received my Blu-Ray player yesterday. I had previously save an AVCHD file and then burned that mpg file to a DVD disk using DMF7SE in AVCHD mode. That disc would not play on my new player. It "stopped" immediately. Yesterday afternoon, I burned an AVCHD DVD from VSX3 (DMF10 built in). Took hours to encode and burn (left it overnight) but it did play in the player.
I could see that much more of the DVD disc had been written to and the space requirements reported were larger, but honestly, I didn't see all that much qualtiy difference on my 52" LCD TV between the AVCHD and a DVD authored for NTSC widescreen. Any reason for that?
I could see that much more of the DVD disc had been written to and the space requirements reported were larger, but honestly, I didn't see all that much qualtiy difference on my 52" LCD TV between the AVCHD and a DVD authored for NTSC widescreen. Any reason for that?
What are the properties of each file (AVCHD & DVD) that you burned?
I burn my AVCHD hybrid discs using the highest possible bitrate of 18 Mbps. That only allows around 20 minutes of AVCHD to be burned to a standard single layer DVD, and it fills it totally... So that is where Black Lab's question about properties -- and your query about quality -- arises. If your project is much longer than 20 minutes, then the bitrate necessarily drops to fit it on the disc, and lower bitrate means lower quality. My 20 minute discs all look exceedingly high quality, and definitely and clearly high definition, on my 46 inch HDTV, whereas a standard definition DVD, even upscaled on my PlayStation 3, is clearly still only standard definition, even though pretty good quality for that.
What kind of Blu-Ray player did you buy? Can it be networked to your computer via LAN (or wireless) like the PlayStation 3 (which is an excellent Blu-Ray player)? If so, you don't really even need an AVCHD or even Blu-Ray disc. I simply play back my high definition edited video over the network direct to my HDTV via the PSP3... Or you could also try putting your video on a USB stick drive or external hard drive, connect that to your Blu-Ray player (I am assuming it has USB input) and play it that way...
Here's the info you requested:
Created MPEG file:
MPEG files
24 bits, 1920 x 1080, 29.97 fps
Upper Field First
(HDMV-NTSC), 16:9
H.264 Video
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 18000 kbps)
Audio data rate: 384 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)
DMF7SE Settings:
AVCHD.
Previously, when it asked if I wanted to change DVD Project Settings to match video settings so it use Smart Render, I had said yes. Am trying again, saying NO.
Burned using DMF2010Pro
Essentially the same, but required 3.1 GB on disc. No info on Field order provided. This shows a bitrate of 16000
When burned, this worked.
Ken, I bought an LG BD570 and it's wireless. I also own a Tivx box which will play almost anything. I have a couple of USB hard drives that I can hang on the LG blu-ray to play back. When you play your HD video to the PSP-3 do you save it as a blu-ray file first? Is a wireless network fast enough to stream HD over to a player?
My expreiment burning via MDF7SE just finished. I can tell just by looking at it that it did NOT burn 3.1GB onto the disc.
Thanks again, Ken for your help.... I am learning sooooo much.
The AVCHD original properties look pretty normal, high quality stuff. But what properties were used in the MF7 SE set-up? Usually you find those in the middle of the three icons in the bottom left of the burning screen. But by the sounds of it, they are set too low if the entire disc was not filled. (Mind you, that begs the question of how big the project is in terms of minutes...) You can un-tick the box beside 'Do not convert compliant MPEG files', and then change the settings to match the original properties.
Re transmitting video over wireless, it will obviously depend on factors such as the distance between your computer and the LG... But the wireless PSP 3 can certainly do it.
As for the format I use, I use the native format. I generally edit my high def in HDV format as that is the type of camera I have. Or with AVCHD I just use its original settings... The PSP3 can recognise and play both formats, though from memory it has difficulty with the .mts extension. But if you change that to .mpg it sees and plays it...
Thanks and here's the properties from MF7 SE.... the video is 26 minutes, so I don't think the 15000 bitrate is unreasonable for that length, do you?
MPEG files
24 bits, 1440 x 1080, 29.97 fps
Upper Field First
(HDMV-NTSC), 16:9
H.264 Video
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 15000 kbps)
Audio data rate: 384 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)
I tried transmitting over wireless.... too slow at 54MB/s. I can drag my laptop and connect a CAT 5 cable, or, better yet, I'll use one of the portable USB drives. Plenty of room on those as well.
My camera (Canon S10) records in .mts as well. I've just been importing those clips into VSX3 and setting the output for regular DVD or AVCHD depending on where the disc will be played.
Speaking of VSX3, I do have a question maybe you could answer. When I start a new project, all the thumbnails in my libraries used in the previous project remain. They have nothing to do with the new project. If I delete those thumbnails, would I be able to load the old project to do another edit on it, or am I really out of luck?
Nothing wrong with 15 Mbps, as long as you realise it is the absolute maximum. And that means that the average bitrate will be down around 10 or 11 Mbps... and as I say, the lower the bitrate, the lower the final quality...
Regarding your library question, you need to create a new library pane for each new project. Go to Settings > Library Manager > Library Organizer > New. Give the new library window a name associated with a particular project. A clean library window should then open against that name, and you populate it with videos etc associated with that project. Do that for each project.
Let me make sure I understand. I can only keep adding new library windows. Can't ever delete them if I might ever need to edit an older project? Seems like over time it's going to become very unmanageable.
Hi Ken, after reading your posts with great interest, I realised that I hadn't set the authoring setting correctly to maximise the quality of the camera (Panasonic HDC-SD9). I had burnt about 60 mins of video on to a single sided DVD using VideoStudio X2. The settings were 1920 x 1080 25 fps and quality of about 85% and bitrate 11,500. This produced quite a good video. As a test I selected 20 minutes of the same video and upped the setting to 100% and 17,000 bitrate – to my surprise it produced a file 1.69GB. Should this have filled the Disk? The video seemed a little better than the first. Have I missed something – Thanks.
