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Authoring - VSX3

Post by sjj1805 »

When we (The Beta Testers) were given our copies of the Beta Version, we did not have access to an online help system - or if you prefer - there was no instruction manual. This meant that we had to fumble our way through as best we could.

Think of VideoStudio as being a program consisting of two halves.
First half is the editing side of things.
This resembles the appearance of previous versions of VideoStudio and so it was easy to work out how to do things.
Trim clips, add titles, add overlay tracks, sound effects and so on.
No problem here and in fact there are lots of extra goodies that make the video editing experience all that more interesting.

Second half is the authoring side of things.
This bears no resemblance whatsoever to what we have all become accustomed to in the past, it is a complete face lift and as a result we all end up groping in the dark.

It does not work the way you would expect and so this is what has been causing such confusion. Happily there now is an online help "manual"
Click here to view.

The thing that caused me the most confusion and what made the program so difficult to use is getting stuff into the authoring stage. With Existing versions stuff on your computers hard drive is imported via Windows File Manager
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Where you simply navigate to whatever it is that you want, music, photographs, videos.

This has changed with VSX3 / Factory 2010.
Instead you have a "Media Organizer"
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You must firstly import your videos, photographs and music into the Media Organiser. There are various ways to do this dependant upon the source of the material. Separate import buttons exist for importing from a camcorder, importing from a DVD, WebCam, your mobile phone etc.

Once you have mastered the art of getting this material into the "Media Manager" you are now ready to do things with it. Previous versions of VideoStudio assumed that you wanted to create a DVD - be it a standard definition, Blue Ray or AVCHD. - You were going to place something on a circular shiny thing with a hole in the middle!

This has changed with VSX3 where you can do all of the above, but in addition you can do other things such as print photographs, upload stuff to YouTube. Send videos, photographs to your mobile phone, send things via email and lots more.

Having managed to get your material into the Media Manager, you then create a new project. This project can be any one of the above options - lets say for instance we are going to create a DVD. You create a project for it.

What you now do is to drag down anything that you want to use in that project to the Media Tray. Although different in appearance this is something that exists in MediaStudio. The big difference though is that with MediaStudio you did not also have a Media Manager - you simply placed things into the Media Tray directly from Windows File Manager.

It perhaps takes a while to grasp this new concept and is one of the main problems we have faced with the new software. Hopefully this brief explanation will alleviate some of the problems most of us have been having. I have of course mentioned to Corel that the present system could be made a lot easier if we could simply right click the Media Tray and then import things directly via Windows File Manager.
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Quite apart from its incredible slowness, one of my major complaints about DVD Factory 2010 "Pro" is that we appear to have lost a significant step between the Editing module and the burning module, and that is the capacity for us to finish editing in the editing module, and then jump straight into the burning module with the VSP file appearing in the burning timeline.

This no longer happens with X3. It seems that you have to first convert your project into a new video file within the Editing module, and then once you have opened DVD Factor 2010, and first selected your menu, you then insert the new file into the media line for further processing.

Now I have read both the X3 and DVD Factory 2010 manuals. The former is a joke on this point. In essence, in about two lines, it merely refers to the latter. The latter is not much further help. While tantalisingly saying that you can insert projects into the burning timeline, it appears that they are Factory 2010 projects and not X3 projects. There is a separate folder for Projects to drag and drop into the timeline, but with my set-up at least, they appear to be all Factory projects.

I tried testing whether the 'old' method might work by first opening a largely edited HDV project in the X3 timeline. Then I chose Share > Create Disc. Factory 2010 opened, and its timeline was empty. I first chose Blu-Ray/BDMV as my output. Not having any alternative, I then chose a menu template, and clicked on the next button to move to edit the menu. I let it run for over 7 minutes without the new page appearing. When I click on the screen, I got a 'not responding' message and Factory closed. So I did this all over again, and chose a different menu template, and this time let it run for another 5 minutes before my patience ran out.

Now I would like to think that in fact it was assimilating somehow the original VSP project file from X3 while it was taking all this time. But the original project is only about 10 minutes long, and taking a similar amount of time to open that file in Factory (if indeed it was trying to do so) is simply excessive.

The main reason why I thought it *might* be trying to open the VSP file is that with an empty timeline in X3, clicking Create Disc opens Factory, and this time you can move fairly quickly (though not immediately) from the menu choice page to the menu editing page...

As for the menu, I still can find no way of disabling menu creation. And the Help file does not mention such a function. Quite to the contrary, its brief drafting about Disc creation seems predicated on the belief that everyone would naturally want a menu... :evil:

Like Steve, I'll report back as I experiment more with this module.
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DVD Factory has broken my workflow, AND removed some functionalities. This makes X3 a complete no-go for me, I won't pay for something that would be essentialy just a bugfix for me (which should have been issued for X2 long ago anyway) and a new "bug" at the same time.

VS has fitted my needs perfectly until now (not regarding AVCHD blip problems), now it doesn't.

I don't understand why it has not been added the same way as this "VS Express" (if I remember the name correctly), on a separate button on the launchpad and launching as a separate program, so that I can just forget about its existence.

Oh, and to stay on topic, I think a list of what is missing now (and is present in X2) would be useful. Let me start:
- No possibility to add media straight from a file.
- No output to disc image
- No "Thumbnail" type menus
- No possibility to hide a menu element
- Reduced menu customization possibilities
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Ken Berry wrote: As for the menu, I still can find no way of disabling menu creation. And the Help file does not mention such a function. Quite to the contrary, its brief drafting about Disc creation seems predicated on the belief that everyone would naturally want a menu... :evil:
I emailed Corel on this point and their reply is interesting
My Question: Can I turn off the menu option so that I go straight to Burn?
Corel's reply (Rec'd within 4 hours V.G.)
"Thank you for contacting Corel Customer Support Services.
Your wanted feature is not possible in DVD Factory 2010. However, this is not a limitation in VideoStudio Pro X2, our video editing solution."

So there is definitely no way of turning off the menu option. All the more reason to use VS x2 as the authoring tool!
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mitchell65 wrote: So there is definitely no way of turning off the menu option. All the more reason to use VS x2 as the authoring tool!
The only reason I can make up is that Corel is going to offer separate, full-blown authoring product (which I don't need btw).
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I still use dvd workshop for authoring. I cannot believe that in 2010 that no-one has come up with authoring software that is as flexible and user friendly as WS. Yes I know the limitations but they dont impact what I need to do.
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dmz wrote:I still use dvd workshop for authoring. ....
So do I - and I agree that even now there is nothing about to match it.
If only it had been upgraded to create true 16.9 menus before they stopped developing it (sigh)
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Post by dmz »

Hey Steve...have you installed your WS on WIN7? and are there conflicts with pro x2 and WS like there used to be with older versions i.e. couldnt dvd import and subtitile issues?
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Please, make your feelings known to Corel. Contact technical support or customer service and express your concerns. They need to know your dissatisfaction.
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Black Lab wrote:Please, make your feelings known to Corel. Contact technical support or customer service and express your concerns. They need to know your dissatisfaction.
The last few times I tried it seemed to me that they could not understand what's in the message. I've already got my share of pointless conversations. I doubt they end in anywhere else that trash bin.
I think you may be mistaken by name "support", which in case of Corel is anything but.
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Post by Black Lab »

Well then, to any others that feel the same, stop complaining on this forum because we are only users like yourself and we can't do anything about it. :evil:
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Black Lab wrote:we are only users like yourself and we can't do anything about it. :evil:
Except for those who take part in betatesting and will contact JP3D.
And I think warnings are useful.
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Users "can do everything" about it. I read the posts all the time and feel your concerns. DVDFactory Pro is an easy to use DVD maker. In terms of people who want deeper DVD tools it may not be sufficient. In this case we have listened, and are preparing great Advanced tools for you. These tools will be a free download and available in a couple of weeks. I'm sure you'll enjoy working with them.

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Post by sjj1805 »

I have been authorised by Corel to inform our Web Board Members that Corel are aware of the problems and feelings towards the new Authoring Stage. Discussions have taken place involving Corel, Ron, Ken and myself and a solution is being worked on.

Please hang in there while Corel try and resolve this issue. Rather than a quick overnight fix that turns nasty, it is better that Corel spend a little time getting this solution right.

I cannot go into details at the moment because a number of alternatives are being considered and I would not wish to mislead or confuse our members.
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Post by Bromo »

Thats great news that there will be some "advanced tools" coming our way.

I also have been using VS since version 6 and have purchased each version since then and am saddened about the "cheap" DVD authoring in x3. I was hoping for something at least the same as x2 but sadly it was scaled down.

It will be great to see these tools when available and would be awesome if there is functionality to add two seperate audio tracks to the dvd (ie. one for normal dvd audio and one for commentary).

Thanks :)
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