No chapter menu in DMF for slideshow.....?

Wim Kok · Post by **Wim Kok** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:59 pm

I tried to burn a slideshow with chapter-menu¡¦s but I found this option is greyed out in ¡§Advanced settings¡¨ on the ¡§Edit¡¨-tab of 2) Menu & Preview of DMF. Obviously it is the same for DMF 5, 6 or 7 Pro, working in the mode slideshow and I hope somebody can help me how to do this. If this cannot be done anyhow with DMF, I will send a note to Steve in order to see this as a serious wish for the ¡§Wish List For Future Versions¡¨ he started. But can anyone explain the reason why, in the mode slideshow, a chapter menu is impossible?
Of course I can insert all images (about 5000) in MSP8 and treat the project as a video project. Title menu and chapter menu¡¦s can be applied, but how in heaven¡¦s name can I apply 5000 transitions F/X batchwise?
I think I¡¦ll have to make a choice between chapter menu¡¦s or transitions, unless someone can help me out. Would prefer a smart solution. Best regards Wim Kok Netherlands.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:23 pm

5,000 images

at 6 seconds per image, if my gazintas are correct that is over 8 hours of video

Wim Kok · Post by **Wim Kok** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:29 pm

Black Lab wrote:5,000 images :shock: at 6 seconds per image, if my gazintas are correct that is over 8 hours of video :!:

Hi Jeff,

it's not my intentention to do this on 1 DVD. The material is worth this job and also thinking about my question.
best regards, Wim Kok

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:54 am

5,000 worth of images no matter how many discs they are spread over is rather excessive. Even 500 is too many and that is a tenth of what you have.

If you want to see how many photos you are intending to place in your slide show then take a look at my online album I think there are just over 5000.
http://picasaweb.google.com/sjj1805

Wim Kok · Post by **Wim Kok** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:31 pm

sjj1805 wrote:5,000 worth of images no matter how many discs they are spread over is rather excessive. Even 500 is too many and that is a tenth of what you have.

Thanks Steve, your album is very interesting indeed and the number of your images could easily be the same as in my project. Earlier I considered an on-line album also as a possibility. Another solution of course is simply burning a copy of all image files in my computer to a DVD. But I prefer to hand over our history to my daughters, who have build this history with us for almost 50 years, in the way I indicated giving our daughters and myself more a feeling of a present.
I did this earlier in MSP8, on a smaller scale, where all features like a menu-structure, music, voice-over¡¦s etc. are available but unfortunately I can¡¦t apply transitions (F/X) on such a scale in this way. DMF7 however offers various transitions, but does not offer the possibility of chapter-menu¡¦s and that was exactly my question in the forum, why is that?
The remarkable thing now is that in your message as well as in the response of Jeff, the number of images (which I realise is very high) is becoming the issue. But my real question is why in my copy of DMF 7 Pro the option of a chapter menu is greyed out. Is this a ¡§lack by default¡¨ and if so, why not put it as a wish on your list.
Regards Wim Kok

Post by **Ron P.** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:52 pm

It is strange that it is not possible to create chapter menus, but can create chapters for slideshows.

Wim Kok · Post by **Wim Kok** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:39 pm

Ron P. wrote:It is strange that it is not possible to create chapter menus, but can create chapters for slideshows.

Hi Ron,

you are right, as a matter of fact I don¡¦t understand either why one can make chapters for slideshows without a chance to use them. I had a small hope that SP1 for DMF7 would have solved this since one of the arguments was ¡§Resolves various DVD, AVCHD, BDMV and BJ-J menu editing issues¡¨, but this menu problem has not (yet) been solved. It is strange indeed that the menu structure for slideshows is not the same as for video. It¡¦s even more curious since this lack is also present in DMF 5 and 6. Is it possible for you, in the contacts you have with Corel now and then to bring up this point? Regards Wim Kok

Post by **Ron P.** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:55 pm

You can use the chapters in one way... with the remote control. Pressing the next chapter button on your remote, and the slideshow will jump to the photo(s) you've selected as chapters. It however leaves out the menus for them.

The suggestion can be made, like all the past ones listed in the wishlists of the boards, Corel picks the ones it wants to implement.

Wim Kok · Post by **Wim Kok** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:00 pm

[The suggestion can be made

Thanks Ron, I'll do so and see what is coming out.
regards, Wim Kok

Post by **Ron P.** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:52 pm

In checking some other things out, along this line with VS, I found that the burn module in VS, does allow creation of chapters and places them on a chapter menu. Therefore I think this is a real stumble on Corel's part to make the actual DVD authoring program, somewhat less than a simplified authoring utility included with VS..

Wim Kok · Post by **Wim Kok** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:17 pm

Bingo Ron !!! You saw my post for the wishlist perhaps in the meantime. But your discovery calls even for a SP3 for DMF7 !!! Very strange development at Corel particularly since they took a change with upgrading the good old ULEAD software and missed this opportunity.
But back to my problem..... it might be an idea to do that slideshow job in VS when it comes to the chapter menu¡¦s, but what about the option of transitions created like in DMF7?? In other words, what would VS offer me more than MSP8 for my project?? Please drop me another line, because I have no experience with VS. Regards Wim Kok

Post by **Ron P.** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:09 pm

VS just offers the ability to edit the latest Hi-Def formats of AVCHD. I also have MSP8, and unless you're wanting to edit HD, Blu-Ray, and produce BD, MSP8 is far better than VS.

With VS's burn module you do not have the slide-show capability, such as adding transitions, pan/zooms. Those must be done in the editor. The burn module in VS is still a simple DVD authoring application. It is not like DVD MF. What they have done is to add some editing capabilities to DVD MF.

We keep trying to nudge Corel with making VS more like MSP. However it would take years for a version to appear function as MSP does.

I guess to fully see the differences, you would need to download the trial version of VS.

For slideshows I favor MSP8's ability to place images to the Cue markers on the timeline. If you're going to time your photos to beats in music, MSP8 is the only one of the 3 we're discussing, that has that capability.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:19 am

MovieFactory includes a "Fast Export" option.
Perhaps you can "create" your slide show, then use the fast export option to convert it into a video. Delete the slide show and import the video you just created. should work.

Wim Kok · Post by **Wim Kok** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:00 pm

sjj1805 wrote::idea:
MovieFactory includes a "Fast Export" option.

Thank you Steve, I never used this option ¡§Fast Export¡¨ but with your clever suggestion I can get my slideshow done now exactly in the way I hoped to do it. It is a roundabout way of course which one should not apply without ¡§if¡¦s and but¡¦s¡¨. It is important when you export the slideshow to save it uncompressed. If you save it as mpeg, you can see the loss of quality very well. A compressed file shows, right at the start of a preview, a light motion of the total image and also loss in sharpness. So you should save it as uncompressed avi and when you re-insert that file into DMF it¡¦s a good and workable solution. And.... there are two options to edit the avi file further if necessary with audio or voice-over¡¦s. In a short test I did this in the ¡§Edit Room¡¨ of DMF which works good but I prefer MSP8 since that¡¦s much more precise.
Perhaps you¡¦ve seen my suggestion for the wishlist of DMF7 already, I still feel it¡¦s up to Corel to update DMF7 with the solution that not only chapters but also chapter menus can be created.
Thanks again for your help, quite a lot of work has to be done now here, but keeping the target group in mind editing is fun! Regards Wim Kok