Uploaded to Youtube Quality fantastic but download slower

Doug2006 · Post by **Doug2006** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:47 am

I made up some videos for a friend and put them on utube. I tried the button in VS x2 and uploaded one and the quality was terrible. So I tried converting them using the preset in the fly out list. I used the Zune H 264 640x480 for most of them. I noticed, as I previewed them on Youtube, that my internet connection could not keep up with the play. It would keep stopping. I figured that it was probably a time of day issue. Later I tested it and found the same thing. It would not play smoothly. The audio and video qualities were fantastic though. I then tried a couple in WMV format, I used the Zune 640x480 30fps one. These appeared to have less quality but they still would not play smoothly. I have gone back to you tube tonight and we watched a whole bunch of videos and found that they all played fine, except for mine. I feel that this is a draw back as people are not going to sit around and wait. Our connection is usually 1 meg a second. I am very pleased with the quality, but I thought that the videos were all done the same at You tube and no matter what you sent them you would get a file that was the same as everyone elses. The videos are all standard definition and 4:3. Doug This is where the videos are; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMxNge1oONIt

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:53 pm

I have never seen a YouTube video play smoothly as it buffers. What I usually do is press Play until it starts, then press Pause until the entire video loads. Then I go back and watch it.

FYI - the link to your video is broken.

Doug2006 · Post by **Doug2006** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:58 pm

Sorry about the link. Here is the correct one. http://www.youtube.com/user/panhandlepo ... MxNge1oONI

Thanks for pointing that out Black Lab.

Here is the problem, last night we went to Youtube and watch about 30 videos that people have placed there. All music groups performing, and some of them are professionally produced. We could watch all of them with out ever having the connection run out. Then I go to my videos, that I worked so hard at making, and they all can not be watched, with out stopping. They all time out in the middle of the video. I have done this at random times and alternating back and forth so I am certain it is my videos.

I thought that you tube encoded the videos the same for every one, but it seems that I might have sent them a file that they decided should be encoded in a higher quality? What else could explain them not playing through?

On some random videos picked off of you tube, the little red progress indicator shoots out and reaches the end way before the video plays, and in some videos, the red thing stays ahead but not by a lot, and in mine the red thing gets caught in the middle of the video. Obviously the time of day and internet traffic effect that but I have never been able to play mine through!

I love the quality of the videos and from every other post I have seen about youtube, most people are trying to get better quality, but I think I went over board and am sacrificing the playability of the thing. I would like to cheapen or lower the quality. Doug

Doug2006 · Post by **Doug2006** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:22 pm

I guess the question I am asking is; Do I have any control over the download speed of a video? If I was hosting these myself I would pick a bit rate and size to balance quality and ease of download. Too big a file and people will not watch it. To small and they can watch but the picture is horrible. I didn't know I had any thing to do with this. I thought that what ever I sent to youtube was going to be the best and they would just produce it same for everyone. Doug

mitchell65 · Post by **mitchell65** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:02 pm

Hi Doug
I have just played your excellent video through twice with absolutely no problems at all. All 2:25 of it was fine. I enjoyed it, my kind of real music. Seems it is connection speed. Mind you it is 5pm here in the UK when the internet is very busy. All the kids are home playing on-line games. Suggest you ask as many contacts as you can to try it!

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:14 pm

Hi Doug,

I watched your video, first with the HQ button disabled, and it only stopped once in the first 10 seconds or so to allow the buffer to catch up. It then played all the way thru with no problems.

I then tried it with the HQ button enabled. That too stopped, this time twice, to allow the buffer to catch up, then play the rest with no problems.

These were tested at 12:15 PM EST in the U.S.

I think your problem is your connection speed.

Doug2006 · Post by **Doug2006** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:15 pm

Thanks for the reply. I thought at first it was my connection speed, but I found over the last two days that I can watch everyone else's videos with out a problem. It just seems to be these ones that I have put up lately. I can even go to my you tube account and watch videos of my kids that I put up and they play fine.

The question is do I have any control what so ever over the download speed by what I up load? Is it the size of the video? Now that I am thinking about it maybe the videos I uploaded earlier were smaller in size? By size I mean the 640 480 size. I will have to check. I would be better to have smaller ones that download faster. Maybe. Doug

mitchell65 · Post by **mitchell65** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:39 pm

Perhaps reducing the size in pixels would be the answer but have you checked your download speed. Mine was 6.8Mbps just now but was down to 4.2 at 5pm. BTW I have left a comment on your You Tube a thing I have never done before!!!!! I really did enjoy it

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:43 pm

What you need to do is perform a little experiment. Using the same video, render it to different file types and sizes, then upload it to YouTube. You can then compare apples to apples.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:58 pm

To save a lot of typing please see this reply I did yesterday
http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php?p=186411#186411

Doug2006 · Post by **Doug2006** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:34 pm

Hi Steve,

I checked with the you tube site; they wanted or would prefer to have mp4 format. They say H.264, Mpeg-2 or Mpeg-4. in 640 x 480 for 4:3SD. I used the handy dandy preset for that in Vs x2. I did try some in WWV again using the preset in Vs. They were smaller file sizes but the download is the same. Youtube talked about High definition and also 720 p on the same help page, and mention that if the source upload supports it they will output it in that. I thought maybe I had triggered a quality check or met some minimum standard and they had use a higher codec for my videos and hence the longer download times.

I guess it doesn't really matter and the only way to tell would be to do what is suggested and try more formats or a different size. Or upgrade to an even faster connection. I sure miss my cable connection.

Thanks for the comment John my home school sons and myself have been filming this band for a while hoping to get the quality high enough to produce a music dvd for them. We are operating on a shoestring budget but now have two digital cameras and a tripod with a good fluid head.

Thanks to all the board members that have helped me over the years. Doug

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:38 pm

I used to create my videos intended for YouTube in accordance with their recommended formats. I was not impressed by the quality. I now just render to one file; the one that will be burned to DVD (MPEG-2, 720x480, 7000 mbps). I upload that to YouTube and let them do the conversion. Saves me a step and the resultant video looks fine.

aljimenez · Post by **aljimenez** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:03 pm

Played perfectly for me too at 3pm Pacific time... Al

Doug2006 · Post by **Doug2006** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:02 am

Well I am absolutely certain that the video files are different and taking longer to down load. If you look at this video here http://www.youtube.com/user/NorthIdahoH ... RS2FQw4wnA it is my kids and a friend playing Blackberry Blossom. I put that video up 4 months ago, and if I remember, it was using the preset in Vs x2 that says 'for you tube'. It converted it to flv and then I up loaded it. I was not happy about the quality of the video but left it. It plays just fine on my connection. If that link works correctly then you will also see a video titled El Cumbanchero that I just put up yesterday, using the preset labeled H264 640 480 Zune or close to those numbers. El Cumbanchero stalls out half way. The picture and audio quality is better in my opinion.

I have tried this numerous times and at various times throughout the day and it is repeatable each time. This means that you tube must use different codecs or treat the video different depending on the format you send it in.

The annoying part about this is I don't really know why this would be. I am not sure if I should just leave it or try other codecs to get a happy medium. Doug

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:32 am

Sorry Doug, but they both played perfectly for me. This reinforces my case that it is a problem on your end, not YouTube's.

BTW, your kids are talented!