I Need - NAY Must be able to produce Pal and NTSC videos!

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Pete

Just out of interest, what are the properties of the AVCHD files you are using?


Ken - Enjoy the trip.

[skier-hughes]

And if I were corel - That stupid region option when installing VS ProX2 would be given the flick, so that both PAL and NTSC formats can be rendered, meaning there will be only one type of installation world wide..

cheers,

Pete..

This just isn't possible with a programme like this. To go fom NTSC to PAL you need a standards conversion app, or a built in standards conversion encoder and as you can seefrom apps like edius which do offer this, you have got to pay for that privelege.

[laidback]

Hi Pete

Oh 5.1 Dolby Digital HD

I am certain that Ken Berry has a template for AVCHD that contains DD 5.1.
Offering this for download about 4 weeks ago.
I think its in the form of a short video that you add to the make movie manager.
Whether is contains the same video properties that you require, I don¡¦t know.
But if he has managed to make one then he can probably make more.
Unfortunately If you subsequently edit the template you loose the 5.1 option.

I may be wrong but feel it is worth following up.

Are you serious!!!!!? And Importantly, I hope its a template to do both NTSC and Pal AVCHD Videos? I know its possible with the outdated PAL & NTSC DVD Mpg format, but if there is a way to create PAL & NTSC AVCHD videos with DD 5.1 sound of a completed video sitting on the timeline which needs to be rendered in both PAL & NTSC Audio Video Compressed High Definition with DD 5.1 sound Formats - Whoo~hoo!
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D'oh!
I just took a peek at Ken Berry's post following your Post and it seems he is busy doing the Pyramids at the Mo..

Hmm'mm? Ken didn't mention which format/s "Pal or NTSC or hopefully BOTH", but you never know maybe he knows a thing or two for the exact settings to use for both formats in either Installation..

I will pick any information I can get, from him..

Cheers, and many, many thanks to all..

Pete..

[laidback]

And I am currently travelling overseas at the moment (did the pyramids this morning! ) and don't have the template on the computer I have with me... Won't be home for another few days.

A BERRY!, small world..

Hi Ken,

I just noticed you have the same surname as my "Daughter-Kylie" & "Grandchil~n-Brock & Aaliyah" and my "Son in law-Paul" ..

Any~Ho, let me first say, I hope your travels go well and may the video gods be generous ..

Now - with your template/s what format/s does it do?

I am hoping it gives me the capability to do both PAL & NTSC AVCHD Videos with DD 5.1 sound.. if not then I guess I am still stuck with a dual install..

Hope all goes and ends well with your trek and or trip Ken,

Cheers,

Pete..

[laidback]

Hi Pete

Just out of interest, what are the properties of the AVCHD files you are using?


Ken - Enjoy the trip.

No Probs Trevor,
here they are..



The last image is a copy of a raw video file that I have to work with, note the raw videos have to be renamed from "file name 001.MP4" to File name 001.Mov" just so that I can edit them with VS Prox2


Err~its my first go at placing images in a post..
so if you don't see em, let me know..



Cheers,

Pete.

** note ** These images may not be available a couple of months after the date of this post, due to them being removed from the online storage..

[laidback]

And if I were corel - That stupid region option when installing VS ProX2 would be given the flick, so that both PAL and NTSC formats can be rendered, meaning there will be only one type of installation world wide..

cheers,

Pete..

This just isn't possible with a programme like this. To go from NTSC to PAL you need a standards conversion app, or a built in standards conversion encoder and as you can see from apps like edius which do offer this, you have got to pay for that privelege.

Well, I am and have been doing it with one installation for the old DVD format, and now for some time now with AVCHD videos, albeit with a dual install of VS ProX2 where one is installed as PAL and the other As NTSC, and whats more, I have been doing it for quite a few months now..

but as explained if one is only working With the outdated PAL DVD and or NTSC DVD Mpeg Videos, all that is needed is a single installation of VS ProX2, as one can render a PAL DV or NTSC DV that is on the time line to either PAL or NTSC DVD format perfectly, and whats more with Proper DD 5.1 sound to them..

Cheers,

Pete..

[skier-hughes]

Pete, as you say, you can't as you have to have two installations and if you count the way VS makes a conversion between pal and ntsc even just for SD then that's fine, but analysing the videos there isn't any change to the black burst, chrominance, luminace etc which are all different in the two formats, not just frame rate and frame size.

I'll leave you to it, as you are obviously happy with the end result and that's all that counts.

Graham

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Pete

I don¡¦t understand it, but you must have good reasons why you want to convert a 720p with Stereo sound to AVCHD at 1920 x 1080 with DD 5.1.

Make Movie Manager again.

You have the video files for avchd Pal and Ntsc.
Have you tried the Add Option to create a template using Make Movie Manager?

Oh and another out of interest question, are you in Pal or Ntsc country? I¡¦m assuming US.

[laidback]

Hi Pete

I don¡¦t understand it, but you must have good reasons why you want to convert a 720p with Stereo sound to AVCHD at 1920 x 1080 with DD 5.1.

Make Movie Manager again.

You have the video files for avchd Pal and Ntsc.

Yes sir re, and I also have to edit various DV formats, which lately I have to upscale them to AVCHD as well - wouldn't it be great if it were possible to create 720 AVCHD videos?

And I wish that VS Pro X2 could load My 720p, H.264, "File name.MP4" videos, without me having to resort to renaming the raw videos to "File name.Mov"..

Anyway moving on ~ I have many family members, who rely on me to edit their voices in their videos, so the voices coincides as to where they are in the videos, and because of my big fat mouth a couple of Christmases ago, they all have ran out and got themselves Media players for their cars which have USB and card ports and some have already got HD Media players with much the same ports - connected to their TVs at Home, and my wife's mother has even purchased an LCD TV with both a card and usb Port, that I am pretty sure plays multimedia files, I wanted to take a gander at her manual but never got the chance, just as well as she still prefers her old DVD player, even though they look absolutely shocking on her LCD, I am hoping she doesn't get herself a BluRay player <shiver> as I don't want to have to burn BluRay disks..

Have you tried the Add Option to create a template using Make Movie Manager?

I tried just the other day since conversing here, and its possible to render both PAL and NTSC AVCHD, but alas without 5.1 Dolby Digital sound, so I am hopeful Kens Template works..

Oh and another out of interest question, are you in Pal or NTSC country? I¡¦m assuming US.

actually its PAL, as I reside in Australia, yeah I know,
Q/. so why do I use a NTSC Camcorder?
A/. Coz I am poor, being a mere pensioner..
Anyway, what happened was, after our local "Aldi Store" finished their sale that included a Traveler HD 10X Camcorder, they ended up with one that didn't sell for weeks, which when it ended up slashed even further in their clearance show case located here in Melton, I jumped on it, meaning the Sony HDR CX10 or was it the HDR CX9 Camcorder ~eh!??? that I was saving for? is now taking a little longer, but I am hoping to get the money together by Christmas 2010, seeing the Australian Gov decided pensioners should recieve a little bit mo money..

So why am I producing NTSC AVCHDs and PAL AVCHD videos? Well, when the NTSC AVCHD videos are played they are much smoother, than the PAL AVCHD copies, but that only applies to my current Camcorders videos as all my other family members own a PAL Camcorder and with some they are even recording their videos in full HD with DD 5.1 sound..

To which, I have to add, are an absolute pleasure to edit using VS ProX2 coz of the smart proxy and render features it has..

<sigh> which reminds me I still have a few more 4:3 videos to embed and or overlay over a looping 16:9 AVCHD video, that is to frame them.

BTW - What do you or any other readers do when up-scaling and or changing the screen ratio to ones videos?

I need more ideas?

Cheers Trevor,

Pete..

[laidback]

Pete, as you say, you can't as you have to have two installations and if you count the way VS makes a conversion between pal and ntsc even just for SD then that's fine, but analysing the videos there isn't any change to the black burst, chrominance, luminance etc which are all different in the two formats, not just frame rate and frame size.

I'll leave you to it, as you are obviously happy with the end result and that's all that counts.

Graham

Hi Graham,

Cool, so to recap,

With a single installation, VS Pro X2 can render what ever video is on the timeline to either a NTSC or a PAL video and that includes both PAL & NTSC AVCHD videos, but if one needs 5.1 sound rather than plain old stereo, then the only option I know, is to have two Installations..

And yes I am sure most of us here are aware when changing a video from PAL to NTSC or vice Vs it comes with penalties, and because of this and the fact that DD 5.1 encoding is not available via a single install is the only reason why one may have to resort to the two installations, but only if one creates videos for BOTH PAL & NTSC camcorders that must result with 5.1 DD sound..

My Camcorder is an NTSC camcorder and I prefer 5.1 DD NTSC AVCHD video, but my other family members have PAL camcorders and prefer 5.1 DD PAL, and if I were content with just crappy stereo where the voices don't coincide with the speaker to my videos, then really one needn't worry about having two installations, as VS Pro X2 renders videos just as good as the most expensive NLE's out there, and whats more it can do it with whatever the video/s one has placed on to the time line, which BTW can even be a combination of both NTSC and PAL videos.. , yeah I know, I know - Those darn penalties, but my point is, one can easily create both NTSC and PAL videos and for that matter in just about any sub format, but - I repeat, with the AVCHD videos oh and the BluRay video files, the DD 5.1 is not possible, I am sure all the other Mpeg Sub formats seem to have the 5.1 DD option, but not AVCHD and or BluRay files..

Err~ so I hope I have clarified why the two installations..

Cheers,

Pete..

[2Dogs]

Are you saying that you would like to use the "Share>Create Disc" step from one project to create both NTSC and PAL versions?

That will not work - you will see the NTSC or PAL option greyed out - but you could use the project to create both PAL and NTSC video files, which you can insert into separate PAL and NTSC projects to create your discs.

OK, you would have the inconvenience of having to re-create your menus in the PAL or NTSC version, but as everyone has pointed out, VS is a consumer program.

In any case, as Graham has mentioned, the format conversion in VS will not be up to the standard of pro software.

That brings us back to Ken's point that many (if not most DVD players these days) will play both formats.

@Ken - the pyramids? Does that mean you're in South Island, geezah?

[laidback]

Are you saying that you would like to use the "Share>Create Disc" step from one project to create both NTSC and PAL versions?

That will not work - you will see the NTSC or PAL option greyed out - but you could use the project to create both PAL and NTSC video files, which you can insert into separate PAL and NTSC projects to create your discs.

OK, you would have the inconvenience of having to re-create your menus in the PAL or NTSC version, but as everyone has pointed out, VS is a consumer program.

In any case, as Graham has mentioned, the format conversion in VS will not be up to the standard of pro software.

That brings us back to Ken's point that many (if not most DVD players these days) will play both formats.

@Ken - the pyramids? Does that mean you're in South Island, geezah?

hey there 2dogs

Disks? who uses disks these days? other than my wife's mother who is pushing 90!

As mentioned in an earlier post, no one here uses Disks anymore "Err~ I refer to my family here", I mean why would they? as its far easier to just copy a Video to a usb drive or memory card and play the video from there..

The Disk era which includes BluRay is near its final stages of its life span and so I think the disk wont be around for much longer.

Memory cards and solid state Usb drives are getting cheaper, and faster, and with a greater memory capacity, and soon may even be cheaper than any blank disc, including a blank BluRay with perhaps twice the capacity..

cheers,

Pete..

[laidback]

Are you saying that you would like to use the "Share>Create Disc" step from one project to create both NTSC and PAL versions?

That will not work - you will see the NTSC or PAL option greyed out

BTW 2dogs, with respects to that option greyed out, That may be the case for most, but I have the Ultimate version of VideoStudio Pro X2, so its available for my choosing, so if I wish - After I have designed and customised my disk menu/s, I can first burn a 5.1 DD Pal Disk and once this is complete, I can then simply choose to create a 5.1 DD NTSC Disk, but if I remember right, I had to work with native NTSC videos for the best results..

Thanks and cheers 2dogs,

Pete..

[Ken Berry]

I am now home and have to admit with some embarrassment that the template I have with 5.1 Dolby is HDV, not AVCHD. It is special because HDV normally uses by default mpeg layer 2 audio. However, quite a few AVCHD cameras film using 5.1 audio, so it should be relatively easy to get a small (3 or 4 seconds will do) sample of both NTSC and PAL AVCHD which uses it. Then follow this procedure to make templates for both:

1. - Save the sample file to your local hard disk.
2. - Open VS
3. - Go to Tools -> Make Movie Templates Manager
4. - Click on "ADD"
5. - In the next screen click on the "..." button to the right of the "File path" window.
6. - Navigate to the sample file
7. - Highlight it and click on OPEN
8. - Give the template a Name to use later under "Share -> Create Video File"
9. - Click on "OK" and the template is now listed under the Templates Manager
DO NOT highlight this template and click on the edit button or you will lose the audio settings.
10. - Click on "Close"

Now load in one of your original AVCHD videos or projects that normally contains another audio format. When you're ready to export then use that template by going to"Share->Create Video File -> Pick that new template you added at the bottom of the list.

EDIT: I have now emailed you a small (1 sec) clip of PAL AVCHD with Dolby 5.1 so you can at least make a template from that. Sorry, but don't have any NTSC samples. Maybe some kind soul here in NTSC land with such a camera can email you a similar size sample (and perhaps copy me -- my email address is under my button below).

[laidback]

I am now home and have to admit with some embarrassment that the template I have with 5.1 Dolby is HDV, not AVCHD. It is special because HDV normally uses by default mpeg layer 2 audio. However, quite a few AVCHD cameras film using 5.1 audio, so it should be relatively easy to get a small (3 or 4 seconds will do) sample of both NTSC and PAL AVCHD which uses it. Then follow this procedure to make templates for both:

1. - Save the sample file to your local hard disk.
2. - Open VS
3. - Go to Tools -> Make Movie Templates Manager
4. - Click on "ADD"
5. - In the next screen click on the "..." button to the right of the "File path" window.
6. - Navigate to the sample file
7. - Highlight it and click on OPEN
8. - Give the template a Name to use later under "Share -> Create Video File"
9. - Click on "OK" and the template is now listed under the Templates Manager
DO NOT highlight this template and click on the edit button or you will lose the audio settings.
10. - Click on "Close"

Now load in one of your original AVCHD videos or projects that normally contains another audio format. When you're ready to export then use that template by going to"Share->Create Video File -> Pick that new template you added at the bottom of the list.

Hi Ken, How was your trip?
Get any good footage?

Now - back to Lil ol me,

Thanks for those baby steps Ken, I will save the text to a file so I can always refer to it when I need to and or if I come across a Raw 5.1 video format that some-ones Camcorder spews out which is playable also in the owners media player, as its so much faster, if I keep most of the Video as is..

If I can work it out, and it works for me, may I say that's one of the coolest Tips I ever got..

So thanks Ken and Cheers,

Pete..