Video studio 12, easier way to break segments ?

KeeganJacobs · Post by **KeeganJacobs** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:53 pm

Is there a easier way to break up my video into segments instead of multi-trim video ?

Like other video editing software, as soon as you put it in the video track timeline, it will break up the video into segments automatically which i like.

Is there a way in video studio to do this or do we have to manually break the video into segments manually ? I dont mind this but it just takes a long time .

mitchell65 · Post by **mitchell65** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:32 pm

Are you looking to split the clip into segments of equal duration? With multi trim you decide where each trimmed clip will start and end. If you want to just split the clip to segments automatically at logical points why not use "Split by Scene"?

KeeganJacobs · Post by **KeeganJacobs** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:59 pm

mitchell65 wrote:Re you looking to split the clip into segments of equal duration? With multi trim you decide where each trimmed clip will start and end. If you want to just split the clip to segments automatically at logical points why not use "Split by Scene"?

Ya mitchell, i just want to split my huge video into small segments with the same time duration on all of them , like every 10 seconds a new segment but doesnt split be scene take too long when you scan ?

Is there a trick in the split by scene to make it faster because i was using that but it was just taking too long to break video into segments.

mitchell65 · Post by **mitchell65** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:58 pm

small segments with the same time duration on all of them

Sorry to seem not very bright but why would you want to do this?

KeeganJacobs · Post by **KeeganJacobs** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:47 pm

mitchell65 wrote:
small segments with the same time duration on all of them
Sorry to seem not very bright but why would you want to do this?

well i would rather edit each segment(clip) instead of manually breaking them into smaller segments manually and then having to edit.

How do you add effects, transitions on one big video track ? I think it would just be faster if this software would do a automatic video segment breaking as soon as we put it on the video track.

randazzo · Post by **randazzo** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:26 pm

Use the Split by Scene feature in the Edit Step to detect different scenes in a video file and automatically break it down into several clip files.

Jean-Pierre

Post by **Ken Berry** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:42 pm

Of course, it will depend on what format your video is. As far as I was aware, Split-by-Scene only worked during capture of DV. With everything else, it only works *after* the capture has been done.

I personally use WinDV for capturing DV (which also splits-by-scene during capture) and HDVSplit for capturing HDV/mpeg-2 which also does it. I don't capture any other type of format from a camera...

mitchell65 · Post by **mitchell65** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:30 am

We all seem to favour "Split by Scene" but that takes too long for randazzo! He is looking for something much faster. Personally I time split by scene or rendering with a nice long coffee break and a bit of R&R

Post by **Ken Berry** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:49 am

Mitchell: I think you are confusing Randazzo (who is a long-time user and was making a suggestion) with the original poster...

mitchell65 · Post by **mitchell65** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:53 am

Have just spent the last 40 mins or so carefully looking at this "problem" and I have come up with this:
I am 99.9% certain that you cannot split a clip into predifined segments of a specified length on importing the clip into VS.
Also I have searched everywhere and cannot find any reference to this splitting after the clip is imported. So I don't think this can be done!
So far as speeding up "Spliy by scene" is concerned. Surely if it could be speeded up then this speed would be the default!

mitchell65 · Post by **mitchell65** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:57 am

Ken Berry wrote:Mitchell: I think you are confusing Randazzo (who is a long-time user and was making a suggestion) with the original poster...

I am indeed, my humble apologies. I should have said "KeeganJacobs"
Thank you Ken

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jbarchuk · Post by **jbarchuk** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:10 pm

KeeganJacobs wrote:
well i would rather edit each segment(clip) instead of manually breaking them into smaller segments manually and then having to edit.

How do you add effects, transitions on one big video track ? I think it would just be faster if this software would do a automatic video segment breaking as soon as we put it on the video track.

There're aspects of software-workflow that you may not be aware of.

Transitions are not 'applied' at the time you select them. A VSP file is more of a 'script,' that, when you preview a vid or create an output file, that's when the effect is actually applied to the vid. That's why preview transitions can seem kinda jumpy.

Effects are applied to an entire clip, but unlike a transition that affects only frames where the transition joins two clips, are applied to every frame of the clip (according to key frame selection.) Yes, this can take a long time to load an effect.

But the idea of '10 second' clips is still only valid for, probably, only a very small number of uses.

For example, if you're using an effect, you set the first and last key frame. With 'a buncha' tiny 10 second clips I rather doubt that too many effects you do will be applied to within -just- -one- of those 10 second clips. You'll still need to apply the effect to multiple clips consecutively and that's gonna take 'more time.' In fact it'll take longer to apply the same effect to fivex10-second clips than onex50-second clip simply because of the time it takes to select each clip and load the effect. Further, if you have the same effect transitioning across the border of two clips that were -arbitrarily- split in a time rather than scene manner, depending on the effect there's very likely gonna be a visible 'burp.'

However you -might- have a certain where this little clippy thing *is* appropriate. For example you shouldn't need to load a 10-minute clip into an effect just to set 5-seconds worth of key frames.

So - use the scissors. Cut just before the spot you want to apply the effect, and just after. Then apply the effect to that very short slip and yes everything will happen much faster.

I've seen a lot of archive posts that say [whatever topic] takes sooo long, this is soooo time consuming. And all the replies say yes, that's the nature of the beast. To apply a stack of effects and transitions to a vid, yeah, during the process you're gonna watch it several times for -each- -task- you perform till it's 'just right.' There's just no way around that. So, letting VS do that time consuming task of splitting scenes is in the long run worth the wait.

Have a

day!

Jim
jb@jbarchuk.com

KeeganJacobs · Post by **KeeganJacobs** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:30 pm

I want to thank everybodys input on this, again im new to the video editing world and im enjoying it.

Just an example i have , if you use SonyVegas video editor , as soon as you drop your video into the timeline, it breaks up your video into segments, and with the same duration for each segment which i thought was nice and organized.

So the split by scene ive noticed is one way but just takes a while which isnt a bad thing, i dont drink coffee but i do watch TV so i can be doing that while its splitting the video into segments.

The split by scene, is there a way to give each split a duration ? Like can i have my video breaking into little segments every 30 seconds ?

The other way of splitting video into segments is the scissors . So there are 2 ways of doing this , ok i got it.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:42 pm

No, it splits by scene changes (time changes) only.

I can see some advantage to regular splits. But I can also see some big disadvantages. Say you can split it every 30 seconds, but I have this one particular scene that is 1:45 long that I want to add a video filter to. Now I have to join three clips just to add this filter. The way VS does it my 1:45 scene is already together and I just drop the filter onto the timeline.

mikerg · Post by **mikerg** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:51 am

Hi all,

Having used Video Studio since VS6 I have tried various methods of clipping and adding filters and transitions.
Everyone is different and will favour different methods.
This is the beauty of Video studio, there are various methods of doing most things.

I personally prefer the timeline editing mode. Using the scissors to cut where needed. Frame accurate positioning can be achieved using the timeline zoom or by clicking on the Position Time Display and adjusting Hrs Minutes Seconds or frames to get where you want to go. This not so simple in Multi-Trim.

I prefer the clips to be as long as possible, only cutting where necessary to remove sections, apply transitions or add filters to Video or Audio.

As mentioned earlier in this post, the VS project writes a script with a series of commands for each edit or effect carried out on the time line.
When you finally Export (Share) the finished masterpiece, the script runs and applies all the edits so that the finished movie will be the same as the displayed timeline.
The point I am getting to, is that the more cuts there are in the timeline, the more commands there will be in the script and the time for re-rendering will increase accordingly.

Keeping cuts down to a minimum also makes re-editing simple. Each cut is a marker and helps with finding sections of the timeline.

IMO Unnecessary cuts and clips are a waste of time and resources
But like I said, Everone to His/Her own..