Quality of finished project put on dvd not very good

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:05 pm

Hi Graham

There isn¡¦t really a correct way in this game , just the way that works for us.

But I have always thought that you should stay with the original field order, at least where possible.
And that is dependent on the original files choose where they come from.
If that¡¦s Dv-Avi then it would be Lower Field and that¡¦s what I use throughout.
There are always the anomalies where you may want to mix and match.

If you feel there is a problem here then a new post on the subject will I am sure confirm this.

mitchell65 · Post by **mitchell65** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:33 pm

I am hoping to produce a DVD in both standard DVD and Blu-Ray for a local charity that I help as a volunteer. My input files would always be as the attached screenshot. I do not extect the vodeo to become a "best seller" but I would like to think I would be able to sell perhaps 4 or 5 per week to start then perhaps 4 to 5 per month. I don't want to produce a lot to start with. I would prefer to burn about 5 or so a week.
I was anticipating opening the VSP each time then going to share, create disc, DVD (or Blu-Ray when I get a BD writer) and as there will be no menu go straight to "Burn Disc", choose number of copies. Finish.
It seems from reading all the latest threads in the forum that the better way would be to produce a file and then burn from this. If I have got that right, what would be the advice regarding the properties of the file I should produce as the "master".
As an extra I will have plenty of time to burn the discs at 2x sooner than my maximum burn rate as this seems to be favoured for quality of finished DVD. I can set the rate in my Nero software but if I want to use VS 12 to burn the discs, I can't see how to edit the burn rate using VS12.
Your help and guidance, as ever, greatly appreciated.

Think I really should have started a new thread for this, sorry

Inout Details of Video here:
http://www.johnm.f2s.com/screenshots/IN ... etails.jpg

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:02 pm

I always burn to DVD Folders first. I then use Nero to burn that to disc. If I need more copies I again go to Nero.

mitchell65 · Post by **mitchell65** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:53 pm

Thank you Jeff. Yes I now see the value of this way. My way of loading the VSP everytime and burning a disc through the share system means that eveytime I want to burn a few DVD's then the system would render the project again. Your way seems much better. Render once and burn as many times as necessary saving a lot of time.
One extra point would you think it worth while slowing the burn rate down to 2x? It seems that it might well produce more reliable DVD's!
Thansk again
John

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:28 pm

Hi John

There seems to be two questions here.
1 / How to complete the project after editing.
2 / The options to burn a DVD.

1/
You make a video file of your project, Share Create Video File, you have to control the render properties.
Usually Same as Project or Same as First Clip. (like the screen shot for your HD file)
Then starting a new project, using this file to burn a dvd (recommended)

Or

Go straight to the burner module to burn the DVD, the project will be rendered to create a video file prior to burning the dvd. Some problems have occurred when rendering in the burner module, but I think later VS versions cope a lot better.
Temporary files will be saved to the ¡¥burn and create folders¡¦ on your hard drive, using these to burn the disc. You have to control the render properties under the ¡¥options cogwheel, again like your screen shot, (same time taken to render as above)
If you opt for this process you don¡¦t want to do more than once. It just takes so much time.

2/
If I want to produce multiple copies of my disc I would create a ¡¥Disc Image¡¦ (Iso File) selected from the last window.
VS provides a VCD-DVD ¡VDisc Image Recorder to burn these files. (create once---burn as many as you like)

Other users Create a DVD Folder (TS folder) (create once burn as many as you like)
Both of these options can be burned to disc using a third party like Nero.
Some software allow for burning multiple copies, but you still have to put the blank disc into the drive.

Whichever way you prefer, I would recommend creating a video file of your project prior to burning a DVD.

Whether you choose TS or Iso is just a personal option. Jeff is a TS man, Try both see which you like.

mitchell65 · Post by **mitchell65** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:41 pm

Many thanks Trevor. I will try all the alternatives. Out of interest what's your view on burning at a lower speed?

you still have to put the blank disc into the drive

That's absolutely no problem. I shall be delighted if i find that a chore! It would mean that I am raising more money for my Charity.
Just in case anyone's interested the charity's website that I set up is here. There's an awful lot to be said for some open source software, like this forum, of course:

http://www.bolenowe.co.uk
This is only for your information, it is definitely not a "sales" gimmick. We have a golden rule at the Charity that we never use those tactics.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:50 pm

As for burning speed, there is no magic number. The general advice is that you use a much lower speed than the maximum rated speed of the disc. I personally tend to use (always) 4x as my burning speed, but that is with blank discs which are either 8x or 12x. But if you have blanks which are 16x or 20x or more, you will probably find it difficult even in Nero to set these to burn at 4x, let alone 2x (not sure where you got that one!

) In those cases, you go down to roughly half the rated speed e.g 8x or 10x...

mitacal · Post by **mitacal** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:12 am

I'm embarassed to keep asking more questions. I am so new at this.

Trevor, I did look at your guide for DV-Avi and I also read Suggested work flow by SJJ1805 (Steve ) for Video Creation from this forum. You both talk of a 'Video Studio Project' VSP. Steve says to save this as a VideoStudio Project File. Do I actually click on File>save or File>save as and put it where I want, like the desktop for now? Your guide says when you open the Video Studio Editor you are looking at a project. Do I start a new project and then put that VSP file from the desktop in the timeline and then do the create a video file? Or am I creating this VSP when I am doing my edits etc. and I just go to share>create video file>dvd or same as project? I get confussed with these options to choose from. Also, at what point do I change the compression bar to 100% and the video data rate to canstant 8000 kbps to get the best quality dvd? Or do I do that?

I have been trying to do these things from your guide. When I do the start new project and put the mpeg2 file in the timeline. Then when I delete the clip and try to save it .... do I save to desktop again? Then I'm supposed to check the properties of a project that is not in the timeline. Then with the project open and no clips...hows that?

I'm soooo embarassed, I guess I need someone to spell this out for me step by step to make the best dvd I can make with video under an hour useing VS 12. I want this to work so bad. I want my family's memories saved on dvd.

Thank you very much!!!! Brad

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:16 am

Please view: What is a Project File?

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:17 am

Hi Brad

Keep asking the questions, no embarrassment here.
Sorry if there¡¦s some confusion on the guide regarding descriptions, I will work on that

VSP
Stands for Video Studio Project, it is a relatively small file, a little like a text file containing the editing details of your movie. When you view your PC, Windows Explorer in Detail View the file type will be a Video Studio Document. It may or may not show the file extension *.Vsp, as part of the name (depends how your pc is set up¡Xthis can cause some confusion when trying to identify the file on the pc.)

When you open Video Studio you see a workstation, this is where your project is displayed. The first screen you see is empty, a VSP with no content.

To save the VSP go to File ¡V Save or Save As just like saving a word document. Give it a name and save location.
And where do you save it, Create a ¡¥Working Folder¡¦ a folder dedicated to each project.

To open a VSP, File Open, browse the hard drive for the project file.
File-- also shows 4 recently used VSP¡¦s at the bottom of the list, (a quick start if you like)

Editing
Build up your movie by adding video files, images, sound, etc to the project. File-Save to save the work.

When the editing is completed we recommend Creating a Video File. A single Mpeg 2 file of your movie.
You should choose DVD-Ntsc, this will use the standard template suitable for a video under 60 minutes long.

We use the Video File in a New project to burn a DVD.

100% slider, Ignore this setting, I leave it as the default settings, I do not change this at all.
8000kbps---no need to change, your using the standard template DVD-Ntsc-16:9 (assuming your source Avi was 16:9.)

post edited
Do not place any VSP project files in the timelines, this is called ¡¥nesting¡¦.
A VSP inside a VSP.
An advanced method of editing.
Can be very confusing and cause many problems if your not sure of the process.

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:08 pm

Going back to burn speed, as Ken pointed out there is a lot to do with your make and spec of disc, but also your burner, if it is very new then burning at a higher speed is fine, I tend to stick to about half max speed.

mitacal · Post by **mitacal** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:59 pm

Trevor, thanks for your patience.

If I only have one title at the beginning of my project ( title + video ) and I'm ready to create the video file is it still recommended to save the VSP first. I mean, this does't take very long and I can do this in one sitting and I don't need to come back at a later day and open up the VSP. I just was wondering if this is something you do so that nothing is forgotten. Or is done because it will produce a better project?

Also, I was putting the VSP file in the timeline. Thanks for telling me that.

Thanks, Brad

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:27 pm

Hi Brad

After you have done a little editing on the project, if you try to close Video Studio, the program will prompt you to save the project, so Yes it is something you do so that nothing is forgotten.

Once all the editing is complete you create a video file of your project, Share Create Video File ¡VDVD-Ntsc-16:9

mitacal · Post by **mitacal** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:51 pm

After I save the VSP, do I go File>New Project to start with? Or do I just go File>Open project?

Thanks, Brad

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:07 pm

Hi Brad

There seems to be a lot of confusion going on here.

From the beginning
You captured your video file using Firewire.
The video files were DV-Avi these could be seen in the top timeline.
You added a title to the beginning of the video file.
This editing is part of the project.

You now have to burn the project to disc (DVD)
First you have to Create a Video File

How

By doing Share Create Video File-choosing NTSC-DVD-16:9 you will make a video of the project.
You have to give it a name and a save location on your computer, the working folder will be fine.
A single file containing the details of your movie is made.

Using this file you can burn your DVD.

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